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Kit THESE MESSAGES are ones I have gratefully received and put up here for people who are interested to read and may be encouraged to send a message.
If you didn't want your message to be put here just say so, but do let me know you've visited! email me val.fiddian@hotmail.co.uk if anybody wants to contact a message-writer on this page - it can be done through me. There may be messages I have received which should have gone 'up' here, and haven't - because I've been so busy...
latest updates:26th July 2010 TO SEARCH FOR ANY MESSAGE MENTIONING A PARTICULAR SURNAME TRY THIS NEW LIST: (CLICK HERE)but it is sadly not up to date.
(It will hopefully be Next Job!)
Val - regarding your latest message about William Balling on the 1901 census. I do not think Balling is the name - it has a big smudge in the middle and I think it should be William Balding who is on FreeBMD as being born Sep quarter in Erpingham which includes Salthouse. I can't find a baptism for him and by 1911 he is not with his parents and entered just as being born in Norfolk. Balling does not appear to be a common name, if it is a name at all. There are only 9 births registered on FreeBMD and only 4 on FreeREG.
Hi I saw your excellent site and wondered if you had any information on a WILLIAM BALLING who according to the 1901 census was born in Salthouse 1897.His parents were Martha born 1875 and Walter 1873.At the time of this census they lived in Hockley
Best wishes Mike
No record of him here - He isn't in the Baptism register . . . Can any one help ? ~Val
Came across two messages on your site asking for info on the Monements, who apparently donated property for a local club in the 1940s. My grandfather, Frederick Monement, emmigrated from England to the U.S. around the turn of the 20th Century. I know he had a brother who was still living in England in the 1970s but that is all I know about the Monements in England. There are 7 living Monements in the U.S., and many in Australia. Anyway, If the writers of the following messages would like to contact me, I'd be happy to hear from them.
From: Richard Jefferson Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: John Beevis
Dear Val
Your Salthouse website is a gem. I get an important contact about once a year from it!
I was surfing vaguely last night and found an email to you from John Beevis regarding the Weybourne Bowls Club. Please, please put him in contact with me. I have the original deed when my wife Pauline's grandmother Mrs Monement gave the bowling green to Weybourne ex Servicemen's Association in 1949.
Dear Val
I understand that you are a very busy person but, I am curious as to the name of our local Green Bowls Club in Weybourne. I am Captain of the club and, understand the the green was donated to the village by a Mr Monement for use as a bowls green, there is a board at the green displaying "Monement Bowls Club" but I know nothing else can you help please as I would like to know it's origin and perhaps a little about the Family. the search engine led my to your site.
Salthouse is of particular interest to me (John) as I am related to the Hancock family which I have read about on your history website pages.
My grandfather was Joseph Hancock who was born and lived in the North East. His father Thomas Hancock was from the Salthouse area born in 1869 and moved to the North East to find work. His father was Samuel Hancock who married Charlotte Williams in 1867.
My grandfather had three daughters (my mother being one) so the Hancock name did not continue through my side of the family. However I know my mother and my aunt have more details on the family history which I am interested in following up.
Many thanks
John & Debbie Herron
I'm hoping Hancock researchers may spot this message and get in contact with me Val . . ..
I have been tracing a little about this Onesiphorus RANDAL, who built the " Folly", with considerable help from members of the Norfolk List..
He was born in Cley and baptised Aug 22nd, 1798, the son of John & Elizabeth RANDALL, late HOOKE.
The father John RANDALL was a widower when he married Elizabeth HOOKE, in Cley on May 5, 1789. I suspect that he had previusly been married to a Mary, and also produced children in Cley. This Mary perhaps died in 1787 aged 28 yrs old.
The children of John & Elizabeth were Sabrina, Naomi, Eliza, Onesiphorus, Richard, Pamela, and Elizabeth Maria. When Sabrina was baptised, the parents John & Elizabeth did not have to pay the baptism tax, (noted as being poor).
It appears that Onesiphorus moved to London, the Poplar area, in 1819, married twice, and died in 1873, aged 75. An excellent description regarding this remarkable man who achieved so much, is found at this URL.
In the 1871 census for 183 East India Road, where he resided for many years he is with his second wife Mary, and more importantly his general servant is one MARY A. SPENCE, aged 23, unmarried and born in Salthouse.
1871 Census. East India Road.
Onesiphorus RANDALL, Head Mar. aged 70 Retired builder, born Clay [Cley]
Mary A. RANDALL Wife Mar. aged 29 born Bermondsey, Middx.
Mary A. SPENCE, Servant. Unmarried aged 23. General Servant. born Salthouse, Norfolk.
According to the British History site, When Onesiphorus died there was a legal battle in Chancery regarding his estate, possibly with his second wife (who he may have married when she was 19 and he was 60) and his son Onesiphorusm son of the first wife Anna, who won the case evidently and he died in 1913.
A present to use as you wish but please don’t chop off the “Lee family collection” thing on each photo. Some you may have seen before.
Elsie High Robert Johnson' shows my mum then Elsie High with her grandfather Robert “Boots” Johnson. Boots was first a fishermen, was elected onto Sheringham’s first parish council in 1894 and then “moved with the times” and ran a deckchair and beach tent business. His “patch” was the West End beach whereas Gofather Pegg “owned” the East End. Shame he didn’t have a name like Gofather or a spider poem as Gofather is the one everyone remembers!
'Henry Mary Ann Jary' you’ve probably seen this before but not as large or as clear. This is Henry High and wife Mary Ann “Polly” Jary, father and mother of Jimmy High
'JimmyHigh Whelk CopperGates' is Jimmy High creating the Whelk Copper gates at the Drift Way Sheringham for millionaire E.W. Meyerstein.
'Jimmy Mary Ethel...' is one you’ve bound to have but again not this size or as clear.
'Mary Dawson Elsie High Nancy High' is one I doubt you’ve seen and is of the cousins Mary Dawson daughter of Jack Dawson and Ethel High, my mum Elsie High daughter of Jimmy and Laura Sarah Johnson and Nancy High daughter of Jack (John William) High and his wife Sabra Ann Dawson.
Steve
Val says:
I have most of them online already but yours are better quality. 'Elsie High and 'Boots' Johnson' I hadn't seen - it's lovely!
I have attached the photos so new people can see them by clicking here on each thumbnail to enlarge on the spot! (use X Exit to close boxes) They aren't all done yet - will be in a few minutes (or hours) Val
I am Steve Lee youngest son of Elsie Lee (nee High) and grandson of James Henry (Jimmy) High born in Salthouse and blacksmith of Sheringham. I think you have previously corresponded with both my brother Derek and my sister Gillian Read regarding Jimmy’s autobiography.I’ve attached a document that contains a lot of new information on the early High’s of Salthouse. My inspiration came from Fred High’s work that’s on the brilliant Salthouse family history website. Fred and I have been in regular contact over the last year exchanging ideas and thoughts on all the new finds.
We are both in agreement that we are ready to share everything new with everyone and Fred has just sent out the document to all his High relatives and contacts around the world for comment.
I’d love to hear both your and the High’s of Salthouse thoughts on what we’ve found and would be pleased if you could include our new finds on the website so that everyone can read about them. I live in Ipswich so not far away and have a week’s holiday booked with my family at Stiffkey in September. We holiday at either Stiffkey or Sheringham most years and visit Salthouse regularly and especially enjoy the heath as both my wife’s family and of course my own have great memories of Salthouse and the surrounding area.
Hello val,
Firstly a big thank you for your website. I have been researching my family tree and it has been invaluable in my research. I discovered on the 1901 census that my gt grandfather, John Dew hadbeen born in Norfolk and stumbled on your site which has now let me go back to 1747! I thought you mightbe interested in filling in thegaps in the Dew family tree.(my ancestors)
George Dew(b approx 1833), who married Martha moved to Hull between 1881 & 1891. His son, John Dew married Ann and amongst others had my grandfather Frank, who amongst others had my father Albert, who has just me Debbie. It seems that there was quite a large Dew family in Salthouse, and I assume (and hope!) that I may have some living distant cousins in the area? Any further information you have would be gratefuly received!
Regards,
Debbie North (nee Dew)
Hello, my name is Geraldine I have a picture of a cottage in Salthouse dated 1917 and initialled S.W.S the cottage is called Rose cottage.
The drawing shows a church in the background and I would be interested to know if you have any information linked to this area of Salthouse around 1917.
I bought the little sketched picture in a second hand shop over 10 years ago and have often thought it would be nice to find out more about its origin.
I look forward to hearing from you
kind regards
Geraldine
Hi Val, I forgot to add that there is a name written in pencil on the back of drawing the name is Irene Corbitt or maybe Gorbitt from what I can make out.
I live in Birmingham thats where I came upon the picture.
All the best
Geraldine
Val says; This is a fascinating picture so clearly named and dated and very obviously painted on the spot with the church exactly as S.W.S. saw it - I now think it's the top of Cross Street - I must try and take a photo from the same spot!
Here it is:
*the hedge growth in today's picture obviously hides the view of the church completely!
*the chimneys are identical to how they were in 1917
*The cottage is now called
'Applewood Yard' and has been called that since Gerald Cubitt was born there over 80 years ago!
'Here>'points to the cottage at the top of Cross Street.
The missing seventh child of Charlotte and Samuel Dix in your history is my mother-in-law.
Her name was Margaret. She died in Norwich c1970. Her daughter, Nancy, was born in Salthouse, at her grandmother's. Mother and child were collected by Richard Lines, husband and father, and taken by pony and trap (1931) to West Runton. Richard and his mother founded the Newsagents, Tobacconists, Fruiterers and Sweet shops, almost opposite West Runton garage. I married Nancy in 1954.
Margaret left Salthouse, when she was a young girl, with her sister Charlotte. They worked for Mrs Reynolds, at Beeston Priory Farm. Margaret told me that she had the first decent meal of her life when she started work for Mrs Reynolds.Mrs Reynolds remained her friend for the rest of her life.
The almost idyllic picture which comes through on your site is very much at variance with what I know about the unbelievably hard times at the beginning of the 20th century.
Val - great news! Sharon and I have made contact. She lives only 90 miles from me. We're making plans to meet. Thanks again for your help and this wonderful connection!
Val, Wendy Morgan finally did contact me today by email. Funny thing, she lives in Seattle, WA 85 miles from where I live in Bellingham, WA. It will be great to have a family member who is interested in doing research. All of my cousins are only interested in what I find - not in finding it! Thanks so much for your help. Sharon Bishop, USA.
In July 2007 and 2009, Sharon Bishop emailed regarding William Purdy Bishop (1861-1907). I am his great-great-granddaughter, and would love to contact her. I’ve just begun my search, and was so excited to see her messages. The internet is amazing. Thanks so much for your site and your help!
Take care,
Wendy Morgan
(In July 2007
Sharon Bishop said:" I am an American looking for my ancestors. My name is Sharon Bishop. I am the great-granddaughter of William Purdy Bishop (1861-1907) who was the grandson of William Purdy. ...")
I have now put Wendy in touch with Sharon - Val
Subject: Elsie May Grange - daughter of William Grange and Alice (Nellie) DAck
Hello. I have been searching for a Elsie May Grange who was briefly married to my grandfather, John Douglas Stewart, during WW1 - his pay was assigned to her from 1915 until he was demobilized in 1919. She lived with John's brother, Colin Fairbairn Stewart on Marmaduke Street, in Toronto, for a time. I discovered notice of a divorce without a date, but another relative tells me the divorce occurred in 1922. [This would be quite a scandal, since he married my grandmother in 1922!!] Your page on the family indicates she was still alive in 1968, married to a Boyd, and living in Downey California. (I am definitely not certain they are one and the same person at this point). Can you put me in touch with any of her family that I might be able to contact in order to ascertain if she is the Elsie May Grange that I have been trying to find? Thank you. ...Peter W. Kuhlmann. Newcastle, Ontario, Canada.
[I have put Peter in touch with Jenny Adams, the Dack family Expert! -Val]
My name is Gillian and through doing family history i found out that Walter Campsall Scutt was on the Princess Victoria when it sank. Sadly he died. My grandmother spoke often about him. Can you enlighten me about the ship and what happened to her.
Thank's very much
Gillian
Hi Gillian,
There has been much correspondence about HMS Princess Victoria on the salthousehistory website. If you click here: http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/past%20messages.html#victoria you can see several messages on the subject.
But it is all sometime ago now and unfortunately due to a computer crash I have lost the email addresses concerned.
However I think you will find plenty on the web: Try this: http://www.uboat.net/forums/read.php?22,66343,66343
I hope you are keeping well,your website is looking fabulous,and full of information.
I am writing as I have noticed that Jean Jeggo is going through the AT's to salvage more information.If she comes across the name Rice I would be very interested,my wife's line ends with Edmund Rice,no date of birth,and no marriage,but his wife was Elizabeth Harmon from Weybourne,and their first child Elizabeth was baptised in Weybourne 26.05.1740.Further children were baptised in Salthouse before the family moved to Gimmingham.
I noticed in the list of Salthouse marriages that Mary Chapman married William Kew in 1781. I don't know if he is my ancestor. I am descended from John Kew, father of George Kew, born in Norwich.in 1813. I am trying to find out who John Kew's parents were. Thanks for any information you might have. Jane Kew
Many people have asked me[Val]why there is a gap in the marriage records for Salthouse, so this message from Jean who transcribed the Buried Records of 1538 - 1713 after they were restored (click here to see all about them and here to see Jean) may interest many researchers.
We hope to show Jean's work online on this site before long.
The dates of the marriage records that are missing are between Oct 1689 and Mar 1755. It seems rather a long time for there to be no marriages at all as there were usually one or two at least for each year. In my personal family history there are quite a few marriages that I have not been able to trace so far but of course they may or may not have taken place elsewhere. The births and deaths do not seem to have any long periods missing.
I am now going through the damaged register filling in all the gaps in the Archbishop's Transcripts. I think by the time I have done that there will be quite a complete record from 1714 with only a few gaps. I can usually work out missing surnames from previous or subsequent entries with the same Christian names so it is proving quite satisfying although I would still like to know where they recorded the marriages. Do you know if there was another register which is still damaged and not conserved where they might be? I think there is a period of about thirty years where there are no marriages in the ATs.
The letter below was sent to the Blakeney Area History Society by Ray Dunn. If Glen Matthews (whose address I sadly no longer have) should spot this - do please get in touch with me, Val!
I wonder if you can assist. On one of the Salthouse website pages:
http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/arnold.html
shows a letter from Glen (January 26, 2005) detailing a tree from Thomas Dunn of the seventeenth century
"The family have traced the Elsy line back to John Elsey who married Cicely Dunn on 4th October 1724. I have traced her family back about another 50 years to her father Thomas Dunn my 7times great grandfather."
I am aware of the
1725 will of Thomas Dunn of Salthouse in which he “bequeath unto Thomas my naturall Son all …… Cottage Sittuate near ye [West?] Street in Salthouse & aforesaid together with all the houses & outhouses for [Edifice?] and buildings yards orchards & gardens together with land…” and notes that “after his decease I bequeath unto Thos Dunn my Grandson & his heirs & assignees forever”.
I have still not manages to find the Elsy tree (or the Salthouse Thomas Dunn's and am still 'stuck' at 'my' Thomas in the mid eighteenth century - but can track no other contemporaneous Thomas's in the Area - or
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the one who is the subject of a marriage bond for a Thomas Dunn of Blakeney in 1790 held at Norwich records office (and possibly his son). Since grandson, g grandson, gg grandson and ggg grandson are all named Thomas, I am intrigued.
Do you have any way of contacting the Elsy's or Glen Matthews to find their information on the various Thomas Dunn's and tree they have please. It is a year since I contacted you guys and, though I have filled in much more recent information, I have 'struck out' with getting past my gx5 grandfather in N Norfolk.
I am Edward G. Olley Jr., a Registered Architect from upper New York State in the USA, and most interested to see if this reaches you.
Research from my “Family Tree” brings me to James Olley, who is mentioned numerous times on your website. Coincidentally, this old fellow seems to portray family traits common to many of my relatives who came to the USA, through Canada, from England years ago. Although I have some information on him, such as the “Light Brigade” and such, I am curious if any of your followers might share with me anything more they may know. Also, I would like to say “hello” to any other of his descendents such as myself.
It is two yeas since I complimented this website and much has happened since that time which continues to draw interest.
Whilst my Norfolk years were not spent in the immediate area it is apparent that my lineage can be traced back there. The reporting of current events and photographs of the same are adding to the pleasure of looking at the same. I must say Marilyn`s winter scene photos are to be commended and the `pathway to the Church` through the snow is excellent.
At one time I did comment on the way the website helps to bring people together and that is continually in evidence. Some time back I did comment on visiting the area and speaking as had been suggested to me to a retired fisherman in Cley when seeking information about the Caston-High clan and he mentioned a lady of that name from Wells who had married a Policeman thought to be retired in Norwich. Perchance the daughter read the same and eventually contacted me mentioning that her Brother was at that time Lord Mayor of Norwich. That was a nice bonus.
I have just found your fascinating items on the Dix family and especially James Dix (b1832) who was my 3rd Great Grandfather. I live in Blyth Nothumberland, my mother Audrey Symons (nee Dix) in Bedlington. My grandfather, James Dix, who was born in South Shields in 1908 died in 2001 at the age of 92 in Bedlington also; he was a retired colliery manager.
I am only recently into genealogy and still finding my way but have made some rapid progress already. I hope to visit Satlhouse sometime as my 3rd great grandmother (Mary Hanconck) was also from the village and I would like to find out more.
Thanks to yourself and friends of Salthouse who have put together the web pages it has brought my research to life!
Belatedly I noticed Margaret Lakes (Richardson) email about the above Home. I am pleased to be able to send some personal information about the same from around the period that Margaret mentions she was born there. In my early teens I was a member of the Sheirngham salvaiton Army Junior Band and every Christmas we went to play Carols there. Sucessive advent seasons have often found me remembering those times with a lump in my throat when I recalled the parent(s) and children whom it would appear had no home to celebrate in. There was a warmth in the reception we received mixed with the sadness we felt.
Margaret mentions her birth there and the circumstances which seem indicative of societies attitude at that time. Further in my late teens I became a Candidate for the Salvation Army ministry and as such were expected to raise some sponsorship towards the same. I can never forget that a man from Beckham House regularly came to worship on a Sunday evening and when he learned of the collection duly handed me a Ten Shilling note which was to me quite a sum. The other memory I have was of a widowed man who became very frail and too much for his relatives to dela with and he became a reisdent at Beckhem for a short time prior to his death. It was unfortunately termed a ¬Workhouse` but one has to add it provided a range of care for various needs at that time which were unprovided for by the State or in my book when the 1948 National Assistance Act was only being implemented.
I trust that this personal information will be helpful to Margaret.
Malcolm High
SEE Margaret's letter below, click here to go there
I came across your site quite by accident while Googling my family history. It was such a wonderful surprise to find my grandparents' marriage recorded there! You might just like to update your records slightly to clear up a couple of transcription errors that I spotted.
Marriage No. 16 was between Harry Nelson JEFFERIS (no 'e' before the 's') and Rosina Ethel STRODE. Similarly, the groom's father was Frederick Lionel JEFFERIS.
The Mary Ann Primrose STRODE listed as a witness was the bride's sister. The two gentlemen witnesses were other army officers. The whole marriage was organised very quickly to coincide with my grandfather's leave from the army... In such a rush, in fact, that there had been no time to buy a ring, and so my grandparents were married with James Carne's wife's ring![see letter below!]The very next day my grandfather and his company left for France, so the the honeymoon was one night only!
Thanks so much for running the site and preserving people's family histories!
Thank you for acting so quickly on my email and correcting your records.
My Mum was thrilled to hear of your website, and after chatting with her, it's now my turn to correct something. The ring used at the wedding belonged to a Mrs. Gunton, the wife of an army officer who gave my grandmother away. James Carne was apparently the best man.
When my grandfather's orders to return to France came through, my grandmother and her sister travelled by train from the family home in Bristol at a couple of days' notice. Everything was arranged so quickly there was no opportunity to organise a photographer, unfortunately. However there was time to get together a military band and a salute of crossed swords for the newlyweds to walk through on leaving the church. It seems that 18th April 1918 was a snowy day in Salthouse!
Thanks again for your help.
Dear Jeremy,
The name Gunton rang a bell - and I was right! the paragraph below found on www.salthousehistory.co.uk/dawsonmary.html which was originally a part of the Salthouse Book (now out of print), was by an 80 yearold I talked to when I first came here in 1997 who was brought up in the Manor House. There is actually a photo of the Gunton's baby daughter in the book! - Again it brings things to life Mary Lemmon, née Dawson, wrote: "My mother, having completed her training as a dress-maker, returned to Salthouse to live with her parents.
She and my father, a soldier in the First World War, married in 1915, and when he was invalided out of the army
they took over the Manor House, using it as a Guest House. During the war, officers were billeted with them, and Captain Gunton's wife and daughter joined him there.
They continued to return for holidays for many years."
I'm so pleased that your Mum can enjoy the website.
Bingo, I think I got them. The people on rootschat came up trumps and found this family on the 1871 census their surname had been transcribed as Peggott!. In the household their was
Head - William Peggott b. 1836 Master Mariner
Wife - Sarah A. Peggott b. 1846
Son - Thomas b. 1869
Daughter - Florence b. 1870
Daughter - Mary J. b. 1867 - Salthouse
I am just waiting for all the other places of birth from Neale at rootschat to know exactly where they fit, but have a theory which I am pretty certain of.
I have 2 Wm's born abt 1836 in my family tree, Wiliam was a very common name in the Pigott family. One Wm married Sarah Ann Hamblen, however when I looked into this one in detail I already have all their children in that line, and none of the names are the same, have also found them on all the census and their children were born at the same time as the ones in Alison family so have ruled this one out. The second William I have also tracked through the census' and he was always unmarried. So I started for scratch again looking for a Wm Pigott who married a Sarah sometime around 1865ish. This record came up which also helps on the Christianna link so I'm sure this is Blanche's parents
Marriage Sep 1865 South Shields, County Durham
William Pigott & Sarah Ann Hancock vol 10a page 754 (if you want to buy the certificate).
Christianna Hancock did indeed have a sister named Sarah Ann b. 1841 in Salthouse. I had thought this sister had died around 1861 as hadn't been able to find her. So we have now proved your link to me through the Hancock/Moy family. So I can now definatly say we are related but I can't add you to my tree until I find out a birth place for William Pigott as it now looks like we may be doubly related! I now think it must be this William's father I have in my family tree rather than this William himself and I am sure the birth place will help us to place him. I have attached for you details of your Moy/Hancock ancestors but hope that Val will be able to put you in touch with one of the Hancock researchers who will be able to take you further with that name as I am only a direct descendant of the Moy's on Blanche's mother's line. I hope you have a good family history programme as your family tree is about to get a lot bigger, Salthouse families back then were very big!!! It may also be worth hanging off putting everyone in until we work out exactly where your Pigott's fit as this may add in a few inter-family links, which are complicated to add later. The village families did tend to marry other village families (I know that sounds bad but they weren't all blood relatives to each other! though my great great grandparents were 1st cousins! from Salthouse)
My direct Pigott line also followed the fish up to South Shields from Salthouse (though followed the fishes is a bit of a misdenoma as quite a few ended up down the mines), after South Shields a lot of Salthouse families moved on to the new town of Middlesbrough and worked as Mariners again.
When you look at the tree I have attached you will see that Martha Ann Moy was the grandmother of Blanche, her sister Sarah Ann (who had 11 kids) was my 4x great gran. Sarah married William Pigott b.1799 in Weybourne, Wm Pigott 1799 was the first of our Pigotts to make the arduous journey all of 10ish miles from Weybourne to Salthouse and is the cause of all the Pigotts in Salthouse, there 11 kids went on to have lots of kids (some of the lines had up to16). I suspect Blanch's father William was born in Weybourne but wouldn't rule out Southery or Sherringham, as I have pretty much got all the established Pigotts of Salthouse in my tree in large part due to Val's wonderful website.
Anyhow have rattled on enough for tonight will let you know what I find out Blanch's father soon.
Kind Regards
Paula
From: "paula round"
To: "Val Fiddian" <salthousehistory@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: amanda.brown
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: pigotts
Hi Val and Amanada (my new cousin I'm sure)
I have been aware of Amanda's line for sometime as when I
have time I work though all Norfolk Pigott's working out how
they fit in. However this line has been an enigma to me for
sometime, I feel sure they will fit into my family but as to
were I have always struggled with. I actually have them on
my one day list to buy some certificates to prove the link,
but haven't been buying any certs other than my many great
grandparents for a while as the cost of the wedding I'm
arranging is still rising.
I did quite a lot of searching since your e-mail came in
re-checking all the internet resources I have access to and
as suspected these didn't help with this line. All is not
lost though.
If Amanda was willing to buy Blanche's birth certificate,
it would clear up all the confusion straight away, allow me
to place Amanada's line in the tree and allow me to to take
her back to the 1650's.
Amanda if you would be happy to buy the certificate I will
happily guide you through the process, its pretty painless
and only cost £7 or £8. If you go to this website http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ register, then put
in these details (so you get the cheaper price) where it
asks you:-
Surname - Pigott
Firstname - Blanch
District - Erpingham
Quarter March
Year - 1876
Volume - 4b
Page - 67
The certificate will take a max of two weeks to arrive and
will give you both parents names and the occupations, I'm sure with these the mystery would be solved
and I would be more than happy to help you take your line
back further. Val and I would also be very interested in
what it says. As though 4 of the children were born in
Salthouse, they are not baptised there which is a little
strange!
Christiana Hanock is already in my family tree as she was a daughter of Samuel Hancock and Martha Moy, I'm a direct Moy
descendant as well as a Pigott one. But I cant find any of
Elizabeth Youngs is a bit of an enigma to as she was born
in Salthouse before the baptisms on Val's site and I cant
seem to find a marriage for her, tried searching on Youngs
as the male name and Elizabeth as female first name in Erpingham (also tried Young), tried a few other searches two
with no response. Though I expect Elizabeth is a red herring
and is the Head of a household only containing herself, or
owns the house the girls are living in but rents out a
couple of rooms to them.
Also looked through the 1871 census on Val's website as Florence was born in 1861 hoped they might of been there and
have asked on roots chat for a UK 1871 census check. I don't
currently have full access to that census.
Woudl you mind letting me know what your grandfather was
called and when he was born? I think you mention he was born
in the workhouse, this rings some bells with me as I do have
one Pigott family who had a child while the mother was in
the workhouse, but the names dont match with Blanch.
Sorry I can't write better news, I look forward to hearing
from you both in the near future, and am now going to spend
a bit of time before bed getting re-acquainted with Val's
wonderful website.
hi val.first off,brilliant website.How ever i am a little confused. Listed in the 1881 census entry 56, is a Blanche pigott who i believe is my great-grandmother,she is listed along with who i assume are her 4 sisters,and a housekeeper.However i can not figure out who the parents of these girls are. Entry 54,lists john and mary pigott and their 3 daughters,i did at first think that they were all one family but on reading further information on john and mary on the pigott page it does state that they did only have 4 daughters ( 1 being born after the census). any ideas how i can find who they are the daughters of and also the housekeeper is stated as s-in-law,but to who? very confusing!! I have traced Blanche pigott on the 1911 census also,unfortunately she was at Beckham workhouse ,also listed was my grandfather who was just 6 mths old at that time. I also believe that one of Blanches sisters was the matron of the workhouse at this time but as yet have been unable to find this information. i do know that Blanche and my grandfather left the workhouse but again not sure on the dates of that either. I would be grateful for any information you think might help me in my quest to find my family roots.
yours sincerely;
amanda brown.
Val answered::
Hi Amanda, How interesting! I'm looking at the 1881 census and I see it looks as if the widow Elizabeth Youngs.is the head of that whole family?. and an elder daughter than Blanche (aged 10) was born in South Sheilds . . .
. . . If you found her in the workhouse in 1911 One can suppose she went there (-aged 35?) to have her son, as many seemed to have done in those times.
I will try to get in touch with a great Pigott family researcher called Paula Round - if I can get hold of her email address from a friend. (I lost it with others in my last computer crash!) Perhaps she will be able to help
I'm not really any kind of genealogist myself, just a collector of information for Salthouse. I've done quite a lot to do with genealogy but no research outside Salthouse.
There are so many good websites on genealogy nowadays who might be more help to you.
However if I can locate Paula I'll put her in touch with you.
From: amanda brown Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:54 PM
hi val,thanks for the reply, I was actually looking through the information again when I received your e-mail. I didn't know whether to go down the route of looking into Elizabeth Youngs but wasn't sure if it would lead me anywhere. I have found Blanche on the 1891 census ,as working in Cley in domestic service,she then appears on the 1901 census,again as a domestic servant,this time in London. then as I said she is back in norfolk on the 1911 census. One of the other girls listed is a Martha Ann, now my mum can remember as a child that every christmas they would receive a parcel from an ' aunt Martha ' posted from south shields,so I know there is definately a connection with that part of the country.I'm just wondering now if they were possibly nieces of john and mary pigott. once again thank you for your help and a contact with Paula Round would be brilliant.
yours sincerely
amanda brown
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:37 PM
hi val. yes by all means post my letters on the board, it would be great if someone had some information to enlighten me. I've always been intrigued with this side of my family,there has never been much to go on regarding information,so it would be nice to find out a little about my roots,my grandfather never revealed who his father was, although his birth certificate stated father unknown, apparently that wasn't the case,but my grandfather took that information to his grave with him for reasons we will never know.However the search will continue and centre around Blanche and her sisters.i have just been informed that my mum seems to think that either herself or my aunt, may have Blanche's birth certificate so thats exciting,i will keep you informed on that one!
Best wishes
amanda [SEE PAULA'S REPLY on Jan 23rd above^]
I came across your excellent website whilst browsing for information on Beckham House West Beckham and I am hoping that you can help me.
I was born on July 1st 1947 in Beckham House and I would dearly love to find out the history of the place. All I know is that it was the workhouse until the 1930's but what I would like to find out is what the building was in 1947.
My mother was unmarried and not wanted at home so I am wondering was it a home for unmarried mothers, or maybe still a workhouse (hopefully not the latter!!)
I was adopted when I was 4 weeks old. I am in contact with my mother we met up again 5 years ago, after lots of research, but she is 86 now and not very forthcoming with information and I wouldn't want to upset her by asking lots of questions.
Any information you can come up with will be very much appreciated.
Yours hopefully Margaret Lake (nee Richardson)
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Beckham House
Hi Val, many thanks for your prompt reply
Certainly you can put my letter on your message page, who knows there may be somebody out there who knows about "Beckham Palace"
I have just discovered your excellent site, well done on all your hard work. Kathleen Margaret Shearing nee Allen (my husband's grandmother) was one of William Fen Allen and Margaret Powell's children.
I love the photo of Samuel and Elizabeth Allen posted by Jackie Harris and was wondering if it would be possible for you to put me in touch with her. I would be happy for you to pass on my e.mail to any interested parties.
Many thanks
Yvonne North
Unfortunately due to a crash sometime ago, I no longer have Jackie's email address!
Anne Woodcock and Neil B Lewis are two others interested in this family. Please get in touch and I can connect you to Yvonne!! Val
From: Richard Jefferson Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: John Beevis
Dear Val
Your Salthouse website is a gem. I get an important contact about once a year from it!
I was surfing vaguely last night and found an email to you from John Beevis regarding the Weybourne Bowls Club. Please, please put him in contact with me. I have the original deed when my wife Pauline's grandmother Mrs Monement gave the bowling green to Weybourne ex Servicemen's Association in 1949.
Dear Val
I understand that you are a very busy person but, I am curious as to the name of our local Green Bowls Club in Weybourne. I am Captain of the club and, understand the the green was donated to the village by a Mr Monement for use as a bowls green, there is a board at the green displaying "Monement Bowls Club" but I know nothing else can you help please as I would like to know it's origin and perhaps a little about the Family. the search engine led my to your site.
Now I know Jeremiah Moores' father was Charles Moore.I found this from your web-site
Charles MOORE
Salthouse
20 May 1848
73
J. G. Girdlestone Rector
I also know that Elizabeth Matthews father was Robert Matthews
I found this from your web-site
Robert MATTHEWS
Salthouse
3 Nov 1853
76
J. G. Girdlestone Rector
I was wondering if these are the right people???
I think this entry might be Charles Moore's wife
Elizabeth MOORE
Salthouse
6 May 1842
63
I have printed out your wonderful pages on burials/baptisms and marriages concerning the Matthews/Moores'. I will sit down and try to connect everyone.
Your web-site is the best site I've ever seen. I have been researching my family history for over 25 years, and your site is the best I've ever found. The work that you have put into this site is outstanding. Well done!
Is anyone researching Moore or Matthews lines???
If you have any info on these families I would truely appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
My e-mail address is: jmo18042ATbigpond.net.au [I've done it like this to prevent the automatics picking it up! -Val (If anyone can help Julie, do contact her)]
As you might be able to tell, I am from Australia. I'm hoping to visit England in the next 5 years, and will certainly be coming to Salthouse.
I am the present keeper of the Shepheard family tree and have records back to 1585.. The family lived in North Norfolk from Walsingham to Happisburgh and Bacton and are well represented in the Erpingham churchyard. They intermarried with the Cubitt family but they are absent from the list on your site. Congratulations on a very interesting site.
regards [Any one wanting information about Shepheards or being able to supply info, do contact -Val]
I am researching the family of LYNN family of Salthouse. Susanna LYNN Baptism on FreeREG County Norfolk Place Swannington Church St Margaret’s Register Number 11 Baptism Date 11 Mar 1814 Forename Susanna Sex F Father Forename Valentine Mother Forename Martha Father Surname LYNN Father Occupation Labourer Notes File Number 3333.
In 1830 in Norwich, Norfolk, England, Thomas SAWYER, wheelwright, married Susannah LYNN and most of their children and their descendants were given the second name of LYNN. In 1869 Thomas and Susan and their entire family, fifteen in all, emigrated to Melbourne VIC on SS Great Britain. The family then settled in Balmain Sydney NSW AUS
Just letting you know that there are lots of LYNN BMD on the this website www.freereg.org.uk
I wonder if you have details of the children of John Dix & Elizabeth Jary (married 1829)?
A John Dix b 1804 Salthouse, was my children's gx3 greatgrandfather. He married an Elizabeth (I don't know her maiden name).
His children are: Rachel, Adam, Anel, William, Elizabeth, Honor, John, Thirza and David.
His son John b. Salthouse 1842, was a Master Mariner, who ended up on South Shields, then County Durham .Is he any relative of James Dix the master mariner on your site?
Also, I wonder if you can help me with a John Trudgill b 1832 Tibenham. He married Ann Mears. 1901 census shows he moved to South Shields as well.
Look forward to hearing from you. I'll prepare in more detail the info I have on the Salthouse folk and send it on - you might find it useful for your website.
Regards
Rexie
click HERE for- Rexie's South Shields descendants of John Dix of Salthouse
CHRIS WATSON!! - if you see this please contact.
I no longer have your email address! - Val
I was pleased to have the oppurtunity of chatting with you when I called at your home last Sunday.
I have found the Salthouse History Site to be very useful, and I thank you for giving me the web address.
I am attaching a photo of the gravestone situated in St Nicholas churchyard in Wells which first aroused my interest in the Dews of Salthouse and the Coes of wells. I found the verse at the bottom quite moving. I have also been trying to find out who wrote these words, so far without success although I have found them used on Tapestries and also on childrens' mugs dated around 1840.
Much of what I had discovered for myself about the Dews was already there on your site had I known about it. However, it does confirm that I was on the right track I believe it is quite feasible that Thomas Dew who married Hannah Pointin in Sept 1859 and died himself just two months later at the age of 29 years, could be the Thomas Dew who had married Susannah Coe in 1848 a few months prior to her death in March 1849.
He would have been about the same age as Susannah.
Unfortunately I don't know how to prove or disprove this theory with the information available
to me.
My name is Sharon Bishop and I wrote to you previously in July of 2007. I was looking at the messages and noticed a link to the surname list of inquiries. There is a Roy Purdy who inquired on the current page about the surname Purdy but I can't find his message. There is also a Brian Purdy on the 2005 list. I would like to know if you have any contact information on either of them. I am a great-great granddaughter of Mary Ann Purdy and would like to contact anyone researching that name or William & Robert Purdy.
Just last month I was lucky enough to find a used copy of the book 'Salthouse: The story of a Norfolk village' on www.amazon.com/uk I am enjoying it very much!
Thank you, Sharon.
I have given Sharon the address of Roy Purdy , but as it is 5 years old it may not work!
on August 10th Brian Purdy has spotted this letter and sent his changed email address- jolly good
From: Harmer, Peter
To: valfiddian@salthousehistory.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:34 AM
Subject: Email on your website from Kerrie Jurd [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Val,
Calling by your website today I see a Kerrie Jurd has enquired about a Francis Henry Harmer. He was the brother of my great great grandfather Elias so there is a link.
If you like you are welcome to pass on my details to Kerrie if she wants to make contact to share info.
Kind Regards
Thanks Peter - just what I wanted! I've put you in touch with each other! - Val
I am not sure if your Francis Henry Harmer is the same l am looking for. He married Ellen Alice Barrett. Kathleen Leila Harmer is their daughter. Kathleen is my great grandmother. I know kathleen married Sydney james Pickering in Maggea south Australia. Can you help.
Thank you so much for your email and the links to so much information. As I see it the William High* to whom you refer died in 1894 aged 3. However, I think that our grandfather William David was the son of Ellen High who in the 1901 census was 56 and apparently was born in Finchley! William is not mentioned in the census for Salthouse because by this time he was living in Shoreditch married to Minnie Earl Wick. Also mentioned in the 1901 entry is a son Charles age 19 and daughter Ellen age 13. This sounds about right especially as the son Charles was born in Cley (Ellen was born in Holt). Also, of the eight children born to William and Minnie, The names Charles, Ellen and William occur. William David is proving to be rather elusive but according to records he and Minnie were married in the last quarter of 1900 and their first child Charles was born in the second quarter of 1901. My father (James Edward) was the youngest, born 1919 in one of the cottages in the Town Yard in Cley - probably the one called Billy High's. The family then moved to either Little Knoll and Church Knoll before returning to London around 1927.
The interesting thing is that in 1901 Ellen and two of her children were living in 23 Church Lane, Salthouse and as Charles was 19 and still at home (apparently) I think it highly probable that William David (our grandfather) was another son and had already left home.
I would very much like to purchase a copy of the book - how do I go about doing this?
Once again many, many thanks and no doubt we will be in touch again as I find out more about our branch of the Highs.
I came across your website last night. What a find! I was planning to visit Salthouse to get a feel of my family history so was doing some prior research. My late father came to visit many years ago but this was pre internet ! The information is now very accessible and I am thrilled to find out and see so much.
I am a great great grandaughter of John Dewing Jarvis and Sarah Ann Perfrement. Their son Edward married Catherine Norman in South Shields on 5th July 1873. I have their original marriage certificate which states that Edward was a Blacksmith at that time. They later lived in Hull and they had 9 children:
Robert (Bob), Euphoebia (Phoebe), Edward (Ted), David, Catherine (Kate), Georgina Rebecca (Becca,) Ada, Norman and Ellen.
I can remember the six youngest ones. I knew some of the next generation - those who remained in Yorkshire - ( I believe that there are two surviving ), and I am in touch with some of their children. I will let them know about the site.
My grandmother was Ada Alice - the seventh child. Her older brother David and his wife Cis emigrated to Canada. When they came back to visit there were lots of family celebrations but I know nothing else. I am excited to think that Daniel and Deborah Jarvis are relatives in Ontario. It would be great to hear from them or any one else who can add pieces to the Jarvis puzzle. I note that there is already one family tree. I will put what I know into a similar format and send it to you as soon as I can.
Very many thanks for all your enterprising work.
Annette Blundred
nee Marshall daughter of Edith Meggitt and grandaughter of Ada Jarvis
Hello to you Annette,
That is very exciting, I will put your letter 'up' on the messages page and hope that lots of your relations will get in touch with you!
If you type 'Jarvis' into the 'search' in your browser while on the Salthouse messages page (and subsequent similar pages - you will find the links to those, at the foot of the current one I think) You will surely be taken to several past letters from Jarvis researchers and family members! see: Jarvis-John Dewing.htm for pictures sent by Janine Cole
Yes please do send me all your information, I would be very interested to see it!
Dear Val, I sent you a message many years ago regarding the Samuel Allen who married Elizabeth Lewis, I have a whole folder of research about 'lewis' family and was thrilled to see the Neil Lewis message regarding my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Lewis. I would like to get in touch with Neil as I have lots of information that I am sure he would be interested in.
Many thanks
Anne Woodcock
I'm sending Anne, Neil's email address (see his letter below (next but one))! Val
My name is Francis James Burrows I am half brother to James William Burrows who is buried in the centre grave of the three near the field wall in your beautiful church yard.
I found your website by accident and think it is great. I have visited Salthouse about four times to visit the grave. The first time we came we were made most welcome by everyone especially Dorothy Thomson and we were most upset to learn of her passing.I would be most gratefull if you could put me intouch with anyone else with an interest in HMS Pricess Victoria as I am looking for any info I can find.
I am looking at the history of Lewis family. I was surprised, and very pleased, to see the work by Jackie Harris which is also my family history.
I am directly related to Herbert (Fenn) Lewis born 16th August 1860 in Salthouse. He moved to Melton Constable and worked on Lord Hastings's Estate as a plumber. He had 4 sons and one daughter, one of which is my great grandfather Herbert Boyer Lewis. It is only by chance that I moved to Norwich two years ago and have only just found out that my past family lived in Norfolk all those years ago.
I am now interested in finding out if there are more of the family prior to Charles Lewis (died 9/10/1834). I have noted references to a Fenn Lewis marrying Frances King in 12/1/1768 and an Edmund Lewis who would have been born in 1689 and died on 25/3/1740.
Hopefully I will visit Salthouse sometime next week to have a look at the village.
I would also like to compliment you on this web site. It is very informative and provides a wonderful social history of the village, the people and their lives.
Kind regards,
Neil B Lewis
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Lewis family
Dear Val
Thank you for the quick reply. I am happy for my email to go on the message board. If I could get in touch with Jackie Harris, it would be interesting to see where her side of the family ended up.
The part of the Lewis family that moved from Salthouse to Melton Constable were effected by the 1st World War. Two of the 4 brothers ended up in London just prior to WW1
and stayed on their return. One died as a result of gassing but I have not located his final resting place in the UK.
Susan Lewis was born in 1842, the daughter of Fenn Lewis and Ann Barnes. She had a daughter, Elizabeth Lewis in 1865. According to the 1881 Census she was a General Domestic Servant to David Proudfoot (an 84 year old gardener) living in Cross Street. She was still unmarried and her daughter was working as a domestic servant (aged 17 yrs) in Cley Road.
Kind regards
Neil Lewis.
From: Elizabeth Humphries
To:Val Fiddian Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Your enquiry about the Old Bakery Annexe
Dear Val,
I am interested in the marks in the centre arch of the North aisle of Salthouse church. There are two deep gauges which look like deep friction marks.
During the period I was invigilating my exhibition in August 2008, a family of local people visited and the father informed me quite firmly that it was a typical 'Wool Church'. Later in the week a Suffolk family visited and exclaimed instantly "It's a 'wool Church', you can tell by the height, just like the churches in Suffolk"
I can't help now but to see the two deep gauges in the arch as score lines caused by constant friction in the stone - I noticed them early on in my visits to the church - I didn't ever see them as architectural in nature. To me they look erosive - I would love to know more -
Yours
Elizabeth (Liz) Humphries
PS I have seen engravings of churches used as Merchant houses full of work, labour, Goods etc etc. a veritable centre of action and Market Place (with services too of course). I wonder if the marks are rope (or iron cable)? It was a merchant port!!??
Dear Liz, here's a helpful summary of the meaning of the term 'Wool Church', which means paid for by the profits from wool. It seems doubtful that such splendid churches could have been built as wharehouses to store the wool. I believe the marks on the pillars and arches in the church are from great placards and monuments belonging to Chantry Chapels.
The most notable parish churches of the late medieval period are the so called "wool churches" common to the Cotswolds and East Anglia. These are churches endowed by the newly rich class of local merchants thriving on England's wool trade.
Many of these magnificent buildings, such as Thirsk (Yorkshire), Northleach (Gloucestershire), and Lavenham (Suffolk), are like mini-cathedrals, complete with fanciful carvings, elaborate ornamentation and funereal monuments inside the church.
The Tudor era saw one important change; it was under the influence of Elizabeth I that preaching long sermons became popular. And by long, I mean loonnnnng - 2 to 4 hours was not uncommon. This meant that the victims, ... er ...church attendees, needed to sit to listen, so pews became standard in the naves. The preacher needed a lectern, and more often, a pulpit. So the pulpit was added to the nave also. Most of the pulpits you see in parish churches today date from the Tudor period, or later.
From:Stephen Shipley
Sent: 23 January, 2009
Dear Val,
It's with great sadness that I have to write and tell you that my Auntie Doreen Reeve, nee High (daughter of Charles Edward High), passed away on 1st Jan '09 in hospital peacefully after a stroke aged 86 years.
She took great pleasure in her father being included in the Salthouse book, and in attending the launch of the book at the Dun Cow a few years ago. Similarly, viewing the fascinating High family tree in Salthouse church where her father Charles was a choirboy, also gave her and ourselves an insight into the roots of our past..
Her sister Kathleen Margery Shipley (nee High) my mother, now 93 years succeeds her and is herself getting rather frail, and we are doing our best to support her at this sad time.
Well I must close now and wish you Val, and all associated with Salthouse, all good wishes for 2009
Yours sincerely
Stephen Shipley
I was so sorry to hear this news of Doreen Reeves' death. Her father was a wonderful Salthouse ancestor. His story and many pictures, including one of Stephen's mother and her sister Doreen, can be seen on a page devoted to Charles Edward High.
click here to see it,
and here for a section of the High family tree where Doreen and her father can be seen, (as it appeared in the church for the exhibition in 2007).
Dear Val: I discovered the Salthouse website by accident and am fascinated by the history of your village. I said to my wife "these people really know how to put a website together!" That was before I had viewed the half of it.
I have no connection to Salthouse. But I was stationed at RAF Station Sculthorpe from 1955 to 1958 but had no awareness of your village. I preached at Methodist chapels on the Hunstanton circuit of the Methodist church for those three years. Since I depended on others for transportation in those days, I could not explore your area as I wish I had.
I enjoyed the history immensely and will be visiting your site often.
Kenneth L. Thrasher, North Carolina USA
Dear Kenneth, I tried to thank you for this high praise (I am only one person and very nearly 80 and it is all my own work), but your email address wouldn't receive it, so I'm putting my thanks here!!
Val
From; Jeffrey Hunt
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:08 AM Subject: Josephine Stratton nee Holman
Hello Val.
I am trying to trace Josephine Mary Stratton nee Holman who I knew back in the late fifties/early sixties. She was born in Salthouse early in 1941 I believe and lived there until her marriage to George Henry John Stratton in March 1963. I notice from your very interesting website that she visited Salthouse in 1904 and wrote to you via the website in November of that year.Going through your website brought back many happy memories of my time in North Norfolk back in the late fifties. I am now a retired British Airways Captain and have given myself a project of finding some old friends. I was wondering therefore if you knew of Josie's whereabouts now, or know of somebody in Salthouse who does.
Congratulations on a great website and keep up the good work
Regards from Capt. J.M. Hunt
If you can help Jeffrey to locate Josie Stratton, please contact him direct: jeffreymartin@fsmail.net
Just a note to say how much I have enjoyed browsing your pages over the past few days. Your village has always been one of our favourite spots on that wonderful coast road. Quite apart from enjoying walks across the marshes and, not least, lunches in the Dun Cow, I'm also interested in the area from a genealogical point of view and was quite excited to find mention of two children baptised in Salthouse to a Richard GOTT(S): the superbly named ffreDeswyde in 1545 and Joane in 1549. Unfortunately, the mother isn't given. Later, we have a William GOTTS having three hearths taxed in 1666 - unlikely, I would think, to be the William (?) GOTT baptised in 1650 to James (?) and Elisabeth GOTT, whose record I found on the free Census site but not among your details. I really must try and get hold of a copy of "The Buried Records" CD that you mention. I don't suppose the village history book is still available? Meanwhile, I would be pleased to make contact with anyone else who happens to be researching the name GOTTS - or, better still, who can throw any light on the Salthouse GOTTS mentioned above.
Congratulations on an excellent site!
Best wishes.
Ian Gotts
Hi Ian,
Thank you so much for all this most interesting news! I can send you a copy of the Buried Records CD which I and a friend put together. Meanwhile I'll have a look to see if GOTTS appear on it.
The 16th-century births you mention must have come from the few recorded by Commander Stagg when, in the 1930s, he had access to the earliest Parish Register before it was damaged by being buried! I'll do that right away.
The CD costs £10 plus 50p for postage . Unfortunately the Salthouse book was sold out within a year of its production, and there are no plans at the moment for a 2nd edition.
Kind regards
Val
This is all I could find on what is left of the early Register (all baptisms)
ffreDeswyde the daughter of Richards Gotts the viith of S[eptember] 1545 (wonderful name!)Joane the daughter of Richarde Gotts the xxvith of Januarie 1549
[...]liam the Sonne of [James] Gott and Elizabeth his wife baptised the 2d of August 1650.
William is there - baptised in Salthouse and surely the hearth taxed William must be a relation !
If you would like to see those original pages they are well shown on the disk with the transcription beside each page.
Stumbled on your website tonight and had a delightful Christmas Eve journeying around it. I am particularly interested in this part of the Salthouse ancient History by Commander F. N. Stagg R.N.:
"We know that in 1240 Sir Peter Braunche, son of Richard Braunche of Gresham, conveyed all his estate in Kelling and Salthouse to the Prior of Binham for twenty-five marks (except a parcel of land which he gave to Salthouse Church). This grant was confirmed by Sir Nicholas Braunche in a deed of 1321, and the manor then became known as Binham Priory Manor, and was held by the Priory until John Heydon acquired it, either by purchase or exchange, in about 1470.
The family of Braunche of North Barsham drifted away to Somerset in 1314 leaving a junior branch in Norfolk, one of whom, Richard Braunche, was Mayor of Lynn in 1349 and has been immortalised by the ‘peacock brass’ in the church there. .......... During the reign of Henry III (1216-1272) one William, son of Sir Thomas de Weybourne, gave lands in Kelling and Salthouse, with Grenberew (Gramborough) Windmill, for the souls of Alice his wife and Aldreda his mother."
I am a genealogist for my family BRANCH in America, and found this story particularly interesting because of the mention of Sir Thomas Weybourne along with Sir Peter Braunche. My earliest proven ancestor is:
Peter BRANCH of Halden (baptised 1596 Rolvendon, son of Simon/Symon Branch and Alice Stokes) died on the voyage to New England in the ship CASTLE in 1638, and by his will dated 16 June 1638 bound his son John to Thomas Wyborne for eleven years, probably until he came of age which would make him born about 1628. This John was of Marshfield, married Mary Speed, by whom he had issue, and died 17 Aug 1711. The Branches in England seem to have been of nomadic habits. The father, Symon, died in Tenterden, though there is no other mention of the family in the registers. Peter lived in Nettlestead, Frittenden, Biddenden and Halden, and his sister was in service in Hothfield.
Then there is this other legend:
“Peter de Branche (knight) born unknown, who came with William the Conqueror in 1068 - held Gresham & Aylmorton Norfolk County by the service of two fees from Earl Warrenne and 1241 had a writ of summons to pass into France and had a grant of market, fair and free warren. He married and had issue.” His two sons take separate surnames. They both keep the same coat of arms but Nicolas continues the Branche line and other, Roger, takes the place name of Gresham.
Wondering if you might have any further information on either Sir Peter Braunche descendants, or on Thomas Weybourne descendants?
Congratulations on creating a wonderful site and allowing people from all over the world to be the beneficiaries of your good work.
Well, my name is Eve Monement and I live in Australia. I have family connections to the Norfolk Coast through the Bolding’s and Monement’s of Weybourne, and also through the Johnson’s of Salthouse. I believe my connection comes directly down from the 1792 marriage of Hannah Johnson (of the Manor House) and William Monement. Your website tells me that Hannah’s sister Esther married William John Jennis Bolding.
I would certainly appreciate making contact with anyone who is also connected through the Johnson, Bolding or Monement families.
Its sometime now since we corresponded, do you remember me Roy Jenkins, I was and still am trying to find the whereabouts of Richard Ashton who was brought up in Salthouse at the Dun Cow. He will be the same age as me about 60 now and went in the army on leaving school, his parents continued with the pub till shortly after the tragic death of his sister Caroline. Any local 60 year old still living in the village must remember him from school and the pub, I know what its like because I am from a small village also and if you want to know anything its just a matter of finding the right local resident and you are halfway there.
So please Val if you do come across any youthfull 60 year olds could you perhaps mention it to them I would be most grateful.
Kind Regards
Roy Jenkins
From: Sandra Pendlington
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: the Holman family of Salthouse
Hello
I'm researching the Holman family for our Holman cousins in British Columbia.
Matthew Holman, the son of William Holman and Mary Morter of Thursford, was the younger brother of Isaac and Brandon Holman. William and Mary died in 1846 within 3 days of each other - 7 & 4 February. Their extensive family was scattered. Some remained in Thursford but others came to Salthouse.
Matthew (1832 - 1909) married Hannah Sarah Ann Pegg of Salthouse who was the daughter of
Francis Barnaby Pegg (born Sheringham 1801 died South Shields 1875) and Mary Ann Cubitt (born Salthouse 1810 died 1894 South Shields). They married in Salthouse in 1835.
Mary Ann was the daughter of William Cubitt (1787 - 1863) and Mary High (1790 - 1871 mar 1810).
Matthew and Hannah 'emigrated' to South Shields with the Pegg family about 1859.
They had lots of children including Henry John Holman (b 1860 d 1919 m 1890). Henry John grew up in Shields and became a marine engineer. He married Mabel Wray. Mabel was my husbands great aunt. Her sister Mary married Joseph Pendlington and he and Henry John both had the wunderlust and became friends. The two men went to Vancouver Island in 1910. Henry John stayed and was joined by his family in 1913. Joseph tried but failed to get Mary to go and eventually returned to Shields in 1915.
Henry John and Mabel have numerous descendents in BC.
I've found your site fascinating and could probably add to the Holman family tree if you would like me to send the information I have - although I am gathering it all the time.
You will have seen the furore raised by articles in Guardian, Mail, Express, and (with beautiful photo!!) Telegraph in the last few days about the sale of Olley's signed memoir of the Charge of the Light Brigade. Richard Batson wrote a good piece in the EDP too - with a little help from his friends.
I am wondering if the resurrection of interest might bring more memories from the good folk of North Norfolk? I have found at least one new contact in Holt. Anything more from Salthouse, I wonder? And Blakeney where
he lived in the High Street (Alma Cottage)? One of Olley's daughters married a long serving lifeboatman there called William Baines.
What I hope for are more memories, photos, documents etc to add another postscript to the life of a remarkable Norfolk hero.
Incidentally the price raised at Mullocks Auctioneers Sale in Ludlow on Thursday (6th November) was £4,500 against a top estimate of £2,500!
All best wishes
Steve
Please use any of this on your excellent Salthouse History website or adapt as you think fit. I'm quite happy for you to pass on my e-mail to an interested party.
Hi Val,
its a long time since I was in touch with you,you may not remember me.
My husbands ancestors were the Moys there is a picture of his Gt Grand mother and 2 of his Uncles on your site.
1 year ago we moved away from Essex to Worcestershire.Our Eldest daughter who lives in France now has all my files on the family history,who will sometime carry on where I left off.
I often have a look on your site,to see if there are any more Bullens etc most went North in the 18oo's
You do a good job,
regards Jean Marshall
- hope you're very well. I was having another look at the Salthouse website this evening & I noticed a mailing from Julia Pitcher. She wrote to you on 26th Sept 2006 regarding Christiana High. Well Christiana High & Charles Kendle are also MY great grandparents! Ada Sarah Kendle is my grandmother. I would love to get in touch with Julia if you're still in contact with her Val??
By the way, we visited the Salthouse art exhibition this summer - fabulous :-) It was good to be back in Salthouse!
Very best wishes,
Wendy
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Christiana High & Charles Kendle
that's great Val - thank you! I can't believe I've missed seeing Julie's e-mail before. Anyway, I've sent her an e-mail now & as it hasn't bounced back - I MAY be in luck!
Dear Val - I'm delighted to tell you that contact with Julie has been successfully made! Thank you for your help. If we discover extra bits relevant to Salthouse history as a result of this contact I'll let you know!!
Best wishes,
Wendy
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Christiana High & Charles Kendle
You'll never guess what Val - Julie's son is engaged to be married to a girl from our village!!
How's that for a co-incidence?!
I think we'll be able to meet up & share some stories & photo's quite easily at some stage with that commonality!!
Julie didn't realise that any of her father's cousins would still be alive so I've been able to tell her that my dad is & he is in touch with two more cousins in Norfolk. Julie said she regrets not finding out more about the family from her father when he was alive, so hopefully my dad will be able to fill her in.
Thanks again Val.
Best wishes,
Wendy
From: Lyn Morgan To:valfiddian@salthousehistory.co.uk Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: The Holman Family
Hello Val
I'm a descendant of Bessie Holman and have noticed a couple of discrepancies in the history you show of the Holman family.
Bessie Holman had two brothers (Frank and Reggie) and two sisters (Mabel and Julia). Bessie's father was William Matthew Holman born 24th September 1864 and was buried in Salthouse on 6th November 1923 aged 59. Her mother was Hannah Maria Holman (nee Beavis) born 7th June 1862 and buried in Salthouse on 21st January 1947. Hannah Maria was knocked over by soldiers playing football and she broke her hip and never made a full recovery, eventually this resulted in her death. She married William on 4th December 1886 in the Salthouse church.
William Matthew was the son of Isaac Holman and Ann Holman (nee Ives). Isaac was buried on 13th April 1918 aged 83 and Ann Holman was buried 5th August 1903 aged 66 both at Salthouse.
I would love to meet any relatives of Reggie, Frank, Mabel or Julia, if you know any of them please ask if they would like to meet me. I now live in High Kelling having moved here from Bushey in Hertfordshire. My mother was Edna Hardingham from Sheringham, daughter of Bessie Holman.
I would love to here from any of you.
Kind regards
Lyn Morgan
Many thanks Lyn for the information I'm always grateful to be put right where there is any misrepresentation! But in this case I couldn't see anything wrong with my Holman Tree:http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/tree-holman.pdf
I have just come across my great great grandfather's death 19 / 20 November 1875. His name was Thomas Wilton and he was on the Brig Elizabeth and the Brig went down in a bad storm.
I wondered if you could help me with details of who to contact to find out more details of the tragic event.
Regards
Judith
Dear Judith, I'm just bogged down in things to do at the moment but I'll get back to you on this. Are you sure the Brig went down at Salthouse?
Thank you for getting back to me regarding Brig Elizabeth.
I have a newspaper cutting from the Whitby Gazette dated 27 November 1875
'November 20th, drowned with four others from the brig Elizabeth, of this port at Salthouse, Norfolk, Mr. Thomas Wilton, of this town, aged 37 years.'
I also attach a copy cutting from the Whitby and Its shipping by Richard Weatherill showing.
And a copy document showing some Sailing Vessels Owned / Partly Owned / Managed by the Turnbull Family. which shows the details of the Brig Elizabth (3 from bottom).
I have taken this as true as it is the only info I have.
I look forward to hearing from you and hope you can help with advise to where to look.
regards, Judith Willis
TO SEE THESE Click hereand here Can anyone help with how Judith might find out more?
We visited Salthouse this summer and stopped at the pub near the village green. We made some enquiries about where the coastguard station may have been as my grandfather was the Coastguard in Salthouse in 1900 – 1902. We found him on your site records with the surname Toyer ? but the name is in fact Tozer. We had searched the 1901 Census for the family Tozer but without any success until we found your site. When we searched under the name TOYER we found the family in Holt Road,, Salthouse.
Alice Myra Tozer also shows in the Baptism records on your site (8 June 1902 entries 501 and 502) as being baptised in 1902 with her brother George Frederick John Tozer. Aunt Myra as I knew her died in 1997.
The family group is as follows:
Front Row L to R: Alice Tozer with Charles Henry Tozer on lap, Ethel Louisa Kate Tozer, George Frederick John Tozer, Hannah Tozer (sister of George Tozer)
Back Row L to R: George Tozer, Dorothy Tozer, Alice Myra Tozer.
I am not sure whether any of this would be of interest in the the Family Groups you have on the website.
On the 1901 Census the Tozers are shown as living in Holt Road, Salthouse which must be close to Ivy Hall and perhaps intersected Cley Road. I wonder if you might know whether this road still exists and if not what happened to it. I also wonder if you might know where the Coastguard Station was in those days and whether it has now gone.
Dear Sue and Frank, Thank you so much for your so interesting letter with good information and pictures. Here is the oldest picture of the post office (the building on the right) which I am told by oldest residents was the coast-guard station before it was made into the postoffice in 1908.
The Holt road on the census, is the road to Holt, now named Purdey Street at its lowest end near the village green, and Bard Hill at its further point where it mounts the hill.
Click here to see the pictures Frank and Sue attached
You will notice that George was shown as being
assigned to HMS Hull when he was based in Salthouse.
If you have any further information it would be gratefully received.
The Salthouse website is a treasure! Thanks for your efforts.
My sister had corresponded with you a few years ago, probably asking the same questions but I've run into a bit of a dead end. I noticed that on one page (http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/alpha.html#J), you reference information about John Dewing Jarvis' siblings and parents from Aylsham. Do you still have that information?
Thank you for the help and thanks again for the great website.
Daniel David Jarvis
b Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Hello Daniel,
Thank you so much for the kind things you say about the website!
I don't think I ever had any information about the Aylsham Jarvises beyond the reference to John Dewing Jarvis' birthplace at the link you sent me. That information was provided by Margaret Pope. Another Jarvis relation is Alison Jarvis but perhaps she is your sister and you know her already!!
Subject: Archive Film Screening - Heritage Open Day
Dear Val
I hope you're well. You may remember I was in touch with you before. I know that you have a personal interest in local history, so I thought I would let you know about a free screening that the East Anglian Film Archive are running as part of the Heritage Open Day events.
The screening is of the film "Norfolk Past: The County Our Parents Knew" - telling the story of how life and places in Norfolk have changed over the years, through a collection of rare archive film.
The screening takes place at 4.15pm on Saturday 13th September at Cinema City, St Andrew's Street, Norwich.
Tickets for the screening are free, but do need to be reserved in advance. To reserve seats, call Cinema City on 0871 704 2053 or book online at www.picturehouses.co.uk or visit their box office.
With best wishes
Bernadine
Bernadine Brewer
Marketing Officer
Independent Studios UK
Henderson Business Centre
Ivy Road
Norwich NR5 8BF
Tel: 01603 251732
Anglia TV's popular series 'Bygones' is now available to buy on DVD. Visit us online at www.archivefilmshop.co.uk
click here to see the latest correspondence from Nils Solberg with a photo of the fob watch made by Johnson Jex
Subject: Salthouse Children who went to Greshams School
Hi Val
I hope you are well and enjoying our "wonderful" summer!! Pity it's going to start tomorrow!
I have been having a clear out and general tidy up of my family research bookcase and came across a volume I purchased several years ago re Greshams School. Its the History and Register of the school c1555-1955 and though I've looked through it many a time re my Dack's and Bunn's etc I had never really delved into it.
Over the weekend I decided to change that and started to read the lists and came across several enteries for the surname Dawney - which rang bells re the Salthouse Register's.
1. John Dawney born c1620 son of Thomas Dawney, Rector of Salthouse, John Dawney went on to Caius College in Cambridge
2. John Dawney born c1651 son of Edward Dawney, Rector of Salthouse, John Dawney went on to Caius College in Cambridge - B.A 1671, Rector of Roydon 1675-1704, Rector of Caston 1691-1704.
The information re Caius College etc is from their own records 1555-1729, then the Registers from the School provide the information 1729 onwards.
Obviously I am unsure re copyright procedures(there is nothing in the book re copyright), hence why I haven't emailed you via the website, but if any one wants me to check to see if their male relative is mentioned I am more than willing to have a look, some names that feature in your A-Z of Salthouse names are listed in the index (Barsted, Cooke, Cubitt, Dawson, Girdlestone (entries from 1729-1766), Harmer).
Thank you for putting me in touch with John Christie from NZ, a "cousin" via the first marriage of Matthew Twite Dack, I have now put him in touch with another "cousin" from the first family who lives in the States (she originally found the info on John's grandmother) so we have come full circle.
Just visited your website via another one on the Girdlestone family - both are just about the best genealogical / historical sites I have come across on the web. I am doing some research on distinguished residents in Penkridge, Staffordshire. Henry Girdlestone was rector there in 1861-3 ish and for a time William Theophilus was doctor there. A Henry Girdlestone born in Penkridge in 1863 went on to do great things in Australia.
Your site seems to be the only one on the web that has any biographical detail on William and I am very grateful. Can you think of any reason why he is so difficult to find in the censuses ?
On browsing thru' the websites found yours with such a volume of information. It's so good to see how much has been passed onto to those making enquiries, and what quality too. I'm amazed at the Girdlestone info, we have them in our family tree too, and there is so much detail to be had on various websites, which my Cousin has found and made contact with over the past year. He is the owner of our family tree. I will be letting him know of your website too. The reason I write is I'm trying to trace the Kerrison family of Cley - in particular Hannah Kerrison b. 1823-25 in Cley, and married my ancestor Joseph Priest in Walsingham in 1849. They were living in Wells-next-the-sea where he worked on the Brig 'Lydia' from Great Yarmouth. I couldn't find Hannah on the 1841 census with any family - but one or two Hannahs were shown but didn't seem to tie up with my info. Is there anyone out there who might be able to throw some light on the details please. I visited Wells, Cley and all surrounding villages in March this year for the first time, and was really thrilled to be in the areas where my families were originally from. These being mainly the Boom and Priest cnnections. Hopefully will hear from some kind person out there. Sincere regards .........
Joan Woodward
Hello Joan,
Many thanks for all your kind appreciation of my website! I'll put your letter 'up' on the messages page, and hope that you may have some luck. I won't put your address 'live' unless you want me to. Anwers will come to me anyway.
It's possible the 'Blakeney Area History Society' might be able to help - they have a wealth of information and are not confined to one village like I mostly am. Here is the address for their website from Google:
BAHSBlakeney Area Historical Society. ... The Society was established in 1990 as the 'Blakeney History Group' but changed it's name later to reflect the wider (etc) .. www.history-blakeney-area.org.uk/
Hope you are keeping well and enjoying the summer, at least when the weather has been fine!
I thought you would like to know that digital images of the Kelling register, 1730-1818 (PD 647/2) are now available in the searchroom on computer and as hard copies. We will also be microfilming the register. Antoinette was only able to carry out limited cleaning because of the instability of the inks, but the images have come out quite well. The bottom right hand areas of the pages are missing, however, so quite a lot of entries are incomplete or do not survive.
The first Kelling register is unfortunately in too poor a condition to try to copy it or carry out any conservation treatment. Only one triangular area has survived and the pages are welded together. Perhaps as conservation treatments develop in the future, though, it may be possible to work on the volume and produce some copies for access. It looks like we have come to the end of the Salthouse/Kelling project for now, anyway. It's been a great experience and certainly something of a trail blazer. We have now had approaches from several local history groups about photographing registers. Terry Burchell has been back to photograph the registers of his own village, Mulbarton, on behalf of the Heritage Group there, and we now have some excellent digital images available in the searchroom. I expect that more groups will follow with similar projects, but I will always remember Salthouse as being our first digitised register and a very special project.
Hello Val,
you may remember my earlier e-mail to you, 9th Nov.2004 ! , ref.
Onesiphorous Randall which, presumably, was the one referred to by
Lorna Beckett in her e-mail to you dated 8th May 2008.
My father was
born at 'Umgeni', Cley-next-the-Sea, and I would like to fill in some
details for her about the house etc.
Could you please forward her e-mail address to me at your earliest
convenience?
Many thanks,
Ann Ward.
I forwarded the email, and Ann sent me a copy of her message to Lorna
with all the information she could want!
From:Ann Ward
To: Lorna Beckett
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Umgeni and Umtata
Hello Lorna,
I have just been updating on the latest additions to the message board
of Val's Salthouse website and came across your entry ref: 'Umgeni' and
'Umtata'. I presume the old message you referred to was the one I sent
to Val
9th November 2004.
Did you manage to locate 'Umgeni' which is undergoing considerable
restoration by the present owner? The two
adjoining cottages, now converted into a single occupancy, were
originally named 'Umvoti' and 'Umtata'. To the right of 'Umgeni' is
another property called 'Umona'.
Captain James Randall was the paternal grandfather of my father
Everard Robert James Randall, (who was born in 'Umgeni') but it was his
maternal grandfather, Captain Robert William Lewis, who lived at
'Umgeni'. He was a Master Mariner with the Natal Line of steamers
sailing between London and Port Natal in South Africa. The fleet of
twelve steamships were all named after towns, villages, rivers etc in
South Africa and Rhodesia and included the names of the four houses
referred to above.
When my grandfather, Everard James Randall, moved from Norfolk to
Derbyshire he named his new bungalow 'Umgeni' !
best wishes,
Ann Ward
From: Antony Ball Sent: Tuesday,
Sent: June 03, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Herbert Wall
Hi Val
First of all congratulations on the website, fantastic.
I am researching a soldier that was killed in ww1, Pte. Herbert Wall and have
managed to trace information on mainly his wife Hannah Sarah May Wall nee Dew
from your glorious website.But I can't find much on the website about the war
memorial in the churchyard or anything concerning the men inscribed on it. Is
their a plaque in the church commemorating the men, or is their more in the
Salthouse book, which unfortunatley is like gold dust to get hold of one. I
would like to find more about the couple and would very much like to find a
picture of Herbert, who was born and lived at Cley.
Anything more about the couple or in particular about Herbert would be of great
value and use to my research, and would be very grateful, also is their any
possibility of a reprint of the book.
Best Regards
Antony Ball.
Sadly, No second edition is planned at the moment. I'll announce it loud and clear on the website if it does happen -Val
I was doing some research into Johnson Jex, "The Learned Blacksmith of
Letheringsett", and it brought me to your site. I see you had a Johnson
Family in the Manor House who gave issue to a Johnson Jex in 1778.
I
understood that he was born in Billingford in or around that year but it seems a bit odd that a humble blacksmith would come from a relatively posh
background. Is this the same Johnson Jex, do you know?
I've attached a lecture that my Great Great Grandfather gave about him in 1852. Maybe it will be of some interest to you. According to that his grandmother lived in Cley so there are obviously connections there.
Kind Regards,
Nils Solberg
p.s. Are you the Val Fiddian who is the mother of Sue and Dick? We used to
be great mates but I've lost contact since I moved down to Sussex. If so,
send them my regards.
Dear Nils - Yes I am the mother of Sue and Dick -I will remember you to them!
I guess it's very likely that Johnson Jex the Blacksmith is the same one born to Christian Johnson who married William Jex in 1773. I'm hoping Richard Jefferson of Cley may know.
To read Nils' Great Great Grandfather W. H. Cozens-Hardy's Lecture on Johnson Jex: CLICK HERE
Nils said: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:54 PM
Subject: RE: Johnson Jex
Dear Val,
I heard from Richard this morning and have just replied. He had a huge
amount of information, which I am currently trying to fit together. Many
thanks for putting me on to him.
I forgot to mention that I have this letter (attached) written by Jex in 1821(click to see it). I'd be delighted to share the lecture with anyone who may be interested.
I transribed it word-for-word from the original printed copy, but I haven't got the foggiest idea if there are any more originals floating around. And feel free to post my message.
As a postscript I have a fob watch made by Jex which my Grandfather left me.
While on a lightning visit to Norwich last week I took these photos of my
Johnson Jex watch that I mentioned in my ramblings, you may want to post
them up with the messages...?
Hope you are well.
I have just been reading with great interest some of the past messages on your Salthouse website. The way I came upon your website was that I was searching for any references to a house in Cley called Umgeni and the cottage next to this called Umtata as the famous war poet Rupert Brooke was staying at the latter when WW1 was declared - he was visiting his friends, the poet, Frances Cornford and her husband Francis Cornford [Cambridge professor] who were living/staying at Umgeni.
I noticed that in one of the old messages on your site Umgeni is refered to - apparently a Captain James Randall had lived there. I am coming to stay at Cley in a weeks time and am trying to find out where theses cottages are as I would love to see them -- I don't suppose you know of them?
I do hope you don't mind my asking, especially as my query is about Cley rather than Salthouse!
With thanks,
Lorna Beckett
Hello Lorna,
How very interesting about Rupert Brooke and Frances Cornford - one of my favourite poets.
I'm not sure, but I think they are on the Coast Road quite near the road to Cley beach. I'm sure they'd soon tell you in the George pub or somewhere like that.
All the best
Val
PS: May I put your message 'up'? it might be interesting to others!
Thanks to putting this message here, Ann Ward (who had changed her address) spotted it and answered on Wed June 4th!
I believe you have made a CD of "the buried parish records" of Salthouse. Would be willing to purchase the same if and only if they show actual copies of the registers in the handwriting of the day.
The reason is that I am exploring the idea that the name MYNGS is a variant of the family name MINGE; I also appreciate that this not the first time the idea has been muted. The main argument is that it is only in the Salthouse registers that the earliest recordings of 'MYNGS' appears (apart from those in one parish in Buckinghamshire, which themselves are in dispute) and that his father, said to be John MYNGS at his marriage to Katherine PARR, was from St. Katherine parish in London where there is strong evidence that the name is John MINGE.
Sorry to be so long winded but the CD would not help if it is a transcription of the PR's. Being now resident in New Zealand cannot just pop up to Norwich/Norfolk as I used to from Lowestoft, Suffolk a few years back to confirm such new records.
By the way the web-site is a credit to its Author, I do hope to hear from you in the near future.
Regards Tony
(Anthony John MINGAY; researching MINGAY and its variants of which MINGE is one)
PS. payment sometimes can be a bit long winded and/or awkward from NZ but can be done.
(2)Hello Again Val,
Many thanks for your very quick reply, which clarifed all my queries. How I missed the 'CD' icon I'll never know, call it a senior moment.
However in the list of surnames appearing in those Registers, I did not see the bap. of Christopher MYNGS although the marriage of John MINGE is listed, who I presume to be the father, or is this another one of those moments. Sorry to be so awkward but as it is the difference in the spellings which the subject of my investigation, hence my concern.
Shortly I will arranging payment for the CD, when the banks open on Monday.
Many Regards Tony
(3)Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Web-Site/CD
Again Hello,
I will admit to be very excited to be able to view the marriage entry for John MINGE because if it is EXACTLY that, then it implies that Sir Christopher MINGS used the wrong surname through out his life and of course his heirs; are we about to rewrite history:)) ?? Again if true, it is all very odd because although Sir Christopher is reported to have 'boasted' of his humble 'beginnings' he never seems to have mentioned any of his siblings.
Awaiting with baited breath for the post.
Many, many thanks again for your help.
Regards Tony
To: Tony Mingay
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:12 PM
Hello Tony,
It'll go off tomorrow. I'm still mystified about the spelling. Stagg in his manuscript spells the name Mings in the baptism of Christopher. (I think it must be from the Kelling Register that he took it) but in the photographed page (No 53) of the Salthouse buried register the marriage of John Minge is spelt Mynge (according to my transcriber). . .BUT have you seen the Parr tree ; http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/parrtree.htm (it has a link from the alphabetical list of names where Myngs is listed under M- I get muddled with all the machinations of my own site!). This tree spells Christopher's father as Minge and Christopher as Myngs !! which is just what you want! - and this is far more authentic than any spelling of a seventeenth-century parson!
Val PS I've just noticed that on that Parr tree it says Katherine was born in Kelling. The Kelling registers were buried with the Salthouse ones. They were not so badly damaged but were much eaten away all round the edges. Somewhere I have a disk of photos taken of them if only I can find it . . . but that won't be soon.
From: b.preston
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Eastgate Cottage
EASTGATE COTTAGE, SALTHOUSE
People who so kindly wrote to the council nearly a year ago now!! concerning the threat to Eastgate Cottage, have all received this terrific good news from the NNDC that the planning permission has been finally REFUSED! Here are some of those;
Hi Val,
Hope you are well and enjoying this spell of good weather.
We were so pleased to receive a letter from North Norfolk District Council today with details of the decision re the building of two properties in Cross Street. You and the community of Salthouse must be overjoyed that the planning permission has been refused and from the angle of visiting Salthouse we certainly are. Salthouse is beautiful the way it is. Is a celebratory drink at the 'Dun Cow' for you all on the menu?
Look forward to seeing you again. hopefully sometime this year.
I received a letter today from North Norfolk planning and note that the erection of buildings were refused. Glad to be of assistance. Hope you are OK and that your site continues to grow from strength to strength.
Regards
Glen Matthews
From: "Wendy Austin"
To: "Val Fiddian"
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: eastgate cottage
Hi Val,
Just heard from NNDC that the planning permission has
been refused. So well done - you can sleep soundly
again for the time being
- I'm sure another
application will go in at some stage in the future -
but hopefully it will be for something smaller & more
in-keeping.
How right you are! 'the Seven Whistlers', opposite Eastgate Cottage is now under threat of alteration! click herebut hopefully the beautyof its architecture will not be spoiled.
Hope you are well - I was in Blakeney again this
weekend with the children - we had a great time
despite the weather!!!
I have just been looking at the Salthouse site and it is really fantastic now and I found out quite a bit more about the Cookes.
I have not looked it up for ages and there is so much more information, with the baptisms, marriages etc.
I even was surprised to see my name (Marguerite Zen, nee Le Monnier) along with my mums, Winnie Le Monnier, nee Cunningham, on the Cooke family tree.
I was surprised that I did not find any Cooke names in the census returns but guess that they must have lived somewhere else!
Anyway, compliments on the web site and keep up the good work.
Best wishes
Marguerite , Bormio, Italy
From: Jenny Adams
To: Val Fiddian
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: Re Picture
Dear Val
Wow, what a wonderful surprise I had when I opened up your email! The picture of Rebecca and her family evolved in front of my eyes, and to have all the additional information to hand was fantastic.
Please thank John Christie for sending the picture to you, I guess he is a sort of cousin to me!
Would it be possible for you to pass on my email address to him, so I may thank him myself? Yes of course!
Looking at the picture I would guess that the slightly older man standing behind the family group could be a brother or father of Frederick Miles as they seem to have the same nose!
Perhaps I will be able to get up to Norfolk this year, can't believe last year flew by without me managing a trip north.
Take care
Thanks again for the wonderful picture
It's thanks to John Christie who sent the photo to me, with a copy for Jenny - Thanks John! from Val
Dear Val, I was thrilled to see my baptism record on your site no 688 but just to let you know I was born 21 June 1951 not 1947, my mother was Doris Leman & I believe you met my father a few years ago during the exhibition on the history of Salthouse. Unfotunately Dad died in Oct 07 age 93 & one of the last trips he made was to Salthouse, he could not believe that the old barns Uncle Newton used to keep his horses in are now being developed into expensive housing, how things change. He loved Salthouse as do I & we often visit The Dun Cow when we are in the area. I am researching the family tree and if any one has any info on Leman, Farthing, Starling or Lubbock I would love to hear from them. I have also got some old land maps, photos of Kelling School and other photos which I will be pleased to share with anyone interested,
thanks for the great site I wish Mum could have seen a photo of her in the bowls team she would have loved it.
Congratulations on a first class Salthouse website. I'm Yorkshire born
and bred (or so I thought) and was reading your website out of curiosity
when I found references to Pigott. This was the maiden name of my
mother, Alice, who lived all her life in Middlesbrough but had told me
she thought her family had been involved in the coastal trade in Great
Yarmouth before moving to north-east England. I was therefore
enthralled to see listed in the Pigott tree my maternal grandmother,
Nellie Madison, who married Frederick Pigott (b.1891) in 1914 (my mother
arrived in 1915). Also of great interest was seeing Frederick Pigott's
father Gabriel (b.1849) together with a photograph of him. When I
searched through family photographs I was delighted to find two of
Frederick as an old man, one in a card from South Shields and the second
of him standing outside a house (probably in Middlesbrough); the
photograph has the date '1926' written on the reverse.
Having now found a Salthouse family link going back to at least 1823 I
would be interested to read the details of any of the Pigotts listed in
the 1867 to 1932 West Beckham Workshouse Index for Deaths and Index for
Births.
Regards,
John Summersgill
From: Egypt To:Val Fiddian Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: RE: West Beckham Workhouse inmates
Dear Val,
Thanks for your prompt response, it was very kind of you. I'll keep the workhouse information private and will certainly get in touch with Paula Round.
My wife and I drove over to Salthouse at the weekend, visiting the church and having lunch in the pub. Having read the data on your website it was quite moving to find so many of the people you listed lying in the church yard. It was also pleasing to find the church open (thankfully so many are in North Norfolk) - but one has to wonder how much of a sermon or service could have been heard over the noise of the carving of ships and names going on in the choir and even on the back of the screen!
We noticed in the church visitors book that someone had referred to Gabriel Pigott (b.1823), describing him as having been a real character. We thought perhaps these people had found some literature in the church which mentioned Gabriel but couldn't find any. I would think it most unlikely that a book would have been written just about him but he could well have been included in a book of Norfolk characters and anecdotes. Are you aware of anything having been written? He seems to have been a Victorian version of a 'twitcher' - but armed with a shotgun instead of a camera.
Regards,
I made a new page of Gabriel Pigott with an article that was in the Salthouse Book: click here to see it! - Val
Hello, I am researching my family history, and came across your site is the entry for No 26 correct or should it be 1816. As I am positive this is the Mary Ann Keymer who married William Durrant Mayes in Blakeney, Norfolk on 28/3/1835.
26
b 21 June 1806
bpt 23 June "
Marianne dau of
William
& Sarah
KEYMER
Salthouse
Yeoman
I have her on the 1841 census living Salthouse Norfolk. With her father William who had remarried the Ann by then.
Willm Keymer
abt 1776
Norfolk, England
Salthouse, Norfolk
Ann Keymer
abt 1786
Norfolk, England
Salthouse, Norfolk
Mary Ann Mays
abt 1816
Norfolk, England
Salthouse, Norfolk
William Mays
abt 1838
Norfolk, England
Salthouse, Norfolk
Your site has provided me with a great deal of information about the Keymers.
At last when I have time to look at that page on my own site, I see it is a stupid 'typo' (How could I have not spotted it!)
Without going to the actual photographs of that baptism book (which I can't for the moment find . . .) I can say that it is certainly 1816 - not 1806. Because I know they were copied in sequence.
DEAR VAL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY A MASSIVE WELL DONE TO THE SALHOUSE WEB PAGE, IVE BEEN ON HERE OVER 6 HOURS TODAY, THIS IS DEFINITELY THE BEST VILLAGE SITE I HAVE EVER SEEN. I HAVE SOME HIGHS AND PIGOTTS IN MY TREE SO THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP
IM HOPING TO POP OVER SOON SO I CAN PURCHASE THE BOOK AND CD, I WAS ONLY THERE LAST WEEK LOOKING ROUND THE CHURCHYARD
Subject: Looking for more information about James High
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Dear valfiddian,
I saw some information you posted on Ancestry that seems related to research that I am doing. Here’s what I found:
Name: James High
Birth Date: 1891
Death Date: 1915
James High was the first husband of my husbands grandmother Mary. Mary High later married her first husband's Uncle, James Emmerson, who was the the brother of James High's mother. Sounds a bit complicated.The Highs originally came from Norfolk , I think. I am researching my husband family tree and do Have some information if you would like to contact me.
Subject: I found your profile on Ancestry - requesting more information
Good Morning.
I am researching my family roots and there seems to be clear links through the Otton lines.
I am most interested to learn some of the High family details and had no idea of any NZ connection.
Would like to explore possibilities of further respective information exchange please.
The link here is through my relative Amy Elizabeth Otton,the spouse of Albert S High.
Looking foward to hearing from you.
JY
Click on the tree symbol at top of page and that will take you to a copy of the High Tree made by Fred. You will view it in Acrobat as a PDF file. In Acrobat use the 'find' to type in OTTON, and you will immediately be taken to the marriage of Amy Elizabeth Otton and Albert S High.
Let me know if you have difficulties locating it. The 'find' facility in Acrobat is pretty good and you shouldn't have any difficulty.
Kind regards
Val Fiddian
Good Evening Val,
Just a brief word of thanks for sending me this very comprehensive history,which at first glance looks most interesting to see how my late aunt factors into the High dynasty.
What a fascinating trail and in due course will be contacting Fred High,as I am sure he will doubtless have interest in the links with my ancestors.
Kind Regards.
John Yates.
Hello - Having just returned from a weekend break in Cley, I just came across your EXCELLENT Salthouse website! Do you know if there is a local historian such as yourself in Cley who I can contact via e-mail please? I look forward to hearing from you.
Warm Wishes Angela Miles
Hello Angela,
No, I don't know anyone like myself in Cley! But there is a Cley website,
and they might be the best people? Also, there is of course, the Blakeney
Area History Society which covers not only Blakeney, but a wide area of
villages around it. You can find it on the Glaven Valley website.
Sorry not to be of more help.
Kind regards, and thanks for saying nice things about the website!
First warm greetings for this new year and the continude success of your website. Not only does it provide information but it also opens up the door for wider contact which in my case has been so helpful. Additionally the more you look at the same and review the jigsaw comes together even more.
Recently one person who has featured in your letters who is certainly a-Round (Sorry Paula) kindly sent me a
Family tree which pre-dates what I already had from 1847 confirming the information Steve had sent me,and a reference to Henry High and Willoughby Castons marriage by Sue Howes (14/2/05) - Paula`s information takes the tree back to 1763 which really is wonderful !
There is one more matter and that is if anyone knows Jane Howe I can aid her with information she was seeking 2 years ago about the High connection in Sheringham.
My name is Colin Pegram. I am researching one of my Ancestral relatives from your area and was wondering if there are any living relatives that you might know or friends that could help me.
My Relative I am researching is Alexander Easter Forsdick [ Friday ]. I was in Salthouse Saturday 10th November and found that his Bungalow although restored is still standing. [see www.salthousehistory.co.uk/forsdick.html] My relationship to Friday is 3rd Cousin and as I am researching my family tree you can see my interest. I have tried finding his marriage dates to his two wives Emma & Evelyn without success also his & his wife's Death dates also without success. So I was hoping to find someone who could help me. Would you know if his Daughter Betty is still alive and living nearby or any other member of his family.
I have printed off the information from the Salthouse History document. I am connected to Friday via John Forsdick 1795-1882 my GGG-grandfather who was Friday`s G-grandfather. John was head Gamekeeper to the Earl of Essex at Cassiobury House, Watford, Hertfordshire.
If you know of anyone who can help me I would also like to book the Old Bakery for a weekend, perhaps the evenings of Friday 23rd & Sat 24th November. Looking forward to your reply, Kindest regards - Colin
( the drawings from each market town have a distinctly different
character to the images from the other towns. They are all (all 100 of
them ) going up on the hoardings of the new Tourist Information Centre
in Cromer in mid November where they will be for approx six months
while the building is being completed, do go and have a look , there
are some very lovely and interesting drawings and sentiments.
Love, Margie
Subject: Looking for more information about Archibald Christopher Davies
Dear valfiddian,
I saw some information you posted on Ancestry that seems related to research that I am doing. Here’s what I found:
Name: Archibald Christopher Davies
Birth Date: 1892
Do you have more information about this person that you could share with me?
I know this family quite well. Archibald Christopher Davies, daughter Margaret is 82 years old and I see her quite frequently.. How can I assist you
Thank you,
Dear bg3604,
Thank you for your kind message - I am Val Fiddian, but I'm really in the dark I didn't realise I was a member of Ancestry.com and wasn't aware that I had posted anything on it! I haven't heard of Archibald Christopher Davies .
I just typed the name into my website site-search to see if he is mentioned anywhere in it - but he isn't!So it's a mystery! is he - or his daughter anything to do with Salthouse?
From:E.J.
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for more information about Archibald Christopher Davies
Was the family of Amy Elizabeth High and her ancestery from Salthouse.. I seem to pick that name up as I am researching the High Family and Davies Family..
Thanks
E.J.
Val said: I took the trouble to search in the High tree for your lady and found her there. If you want to, you can do the same. If you go to my websitewww.salthousehistory.co.ukand choose the 'trees' tab (on the left of the home page) and choose from it 'High' and then 'William 1705' you will open Fred High's tree of Highs who began in Salthouse. If you want to contact Fred go back to the Home Page and choose 'people' (from tabs on the left) then HIGH then Fred High in Australia.
Your Archibald is descended from Benjamin High born in Salthouse 1776 who is the ancestor of a mass of Highs who didn't stay long in Salthouse!
I'm sure Fred would be interested in the research you are doing on the Davies branch!
I am writing to congratulate you on a superbly informative website. My sister Gillian Read (see Jimmy High sections) has obviously already been in touch with you and I am currently working on extending the family tree as she drew it up some years ago. Imagine my delight when I found that Fred High had already done pretty well all of the work already!
I do have some questions for you:
1 - Jary, Jeary or Geary (Polly married my Great Grandfather Henry High in 1874)? all three spellings crop up in the census..... Yes, I have seen the name Geary spelt in such different ways - I assume they were each all right at the time.
2 - In his autobiography my Grandfather Jimmy High says he was born in December 1880 & not 1881 - is this his memory playing up or has Fred High got it wrong in the family tree? I'm sure your grandfather was the one who knew best about his date of birth! Fred's info may have come from a census where they were often pretty loose with ages of children??
3 - I'm not quite sure if Fred High is still looking for updates to the tree - if he is I can certainly let him have an update on Jimmy High's descendants. I bet he would be grateful
3 - Grandfather High married a Sheringham girl - Laura Johnson. Do you know if anyone has done any work on the Johnson family tree? sorry, I don't know anything about Laura's Sheringham Johnsons
I look forward to hearing from you
best regards
Derek Lee (son of Elsie who is now pretty well the last remaining 'level 7' in our branch of the Highs)
Hello. I am trying to do a report for my high school English class. I used to have a copy of the coat of arms and family history for my maternal grandmother's maiden name (Cook). Her maiden name was Emily Loretta Cook (married surname: Taylor). I need to find out as much information as I can on my family... I would ask her but she passed on a few years ago and now i cannot find the paper i had. I noticed the article about the Cooke family on your website and I was wondering if this was the same family. Is there any way you can possibly help me find out? This is not only for an English grade to me, but also for a personal reason: I want to learn my roots... Can you please help me or possibly point me towards a site that is free that might be able to help me? I would greatly appreciate it...
Thanks!
Stephanie
my reply:
Hello Stephanie,
I am not much of a genealogist myself I'm afraid, just a webmaster and collector of specifically Salthouse stuff!
But I can give a bit of advice: It will help if you know where your Cooks came from. Do you know where your grandmother was born? Then you can look at the censuses for that town and find out who her parents were and if she had any siblings.
There are so many magazines and books on Family History at the moment with advice about how to begin. There are also many free sites with information. I will ask which are the best, and let you know.
First of all I would like to congratulate you on the great job you are doing on the Salthouse site. I love dipping into it.
I was born in Cherub Cottage at the bottom of the pub yard in 1941. My parents were Bertie Woodhouse and Edna (nee Duffield)
We lived there until the flood of 1953 after which we moved to Sandy Hill Estate. I lived there with my parents and brother Roger until I went to London to train as a teacher.My parents moved to Weybourne in the early sixties when my father changed jobs.
I was married in Salthouse church in 1965. My parents are both buried in the churchyard.
My mother's youngest sister is Freda Holman (Swift Cottage). I also have two cousins in the village, Virginia Wright and Brian Holman.
I am sending you part of the Woodhouse family tree as I know it, as you have me with the wrong parents on the website.
I hope it's the right size when it reaches you (I sometimes get the size wrong when emailing!)
I've been researching my family tree since I retired and have a fair bit of information.
My son lives in Hethel (just outside Wymondham) so my husband and I are fairly frequent visitors to Norfolk although
we've lived in Sheffield for the last 30 years.
If you are interested in any more of the family tree or any photos please let me know and I'll try to get over to see you
on one of our trips to Hethel.
I must correct one error on the website. When you click on Tom Woodhouse, the lady with the ducks is his wife Mary (nee High). (Thanks Barbara -I've changed it! Val)
Hello Val, I have visited Salthouse for over 15 years and have bought your Salthouse history book.
I have always wanted to know the history of an old building outside the village. As you drive down from Weybourne direction you can see an old building/barn on the right hand side near the sea. It has been a ruin for a while. Was it a barn or an old house years ago? If it is, is it mentioned in your book or on the website?
Thanks
Hello Margaret,
It was a barn! and here it is in action - I guess around the 1930s
The photo is one of several farming photos leant to me by Alan High of Salthouse. It was shown in a collection of large-sized farming photos in the recent Buried Records exhibition in the church. They are not on the web-site yet , and they were discovered several years after I did the book. It is marked on the 1838 tithe map, I think.
Kind regards
Val
Margaret
From: Joe Zeligs
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:49 AM
Subject: Dix Family of Salthouse
Dear Val Fiddian,
I am researching a very fine Powell & Lealand brass microscope, made in 1845, many of the parts engraved with a family crest, which appears to belong to the Dix family (a composite picture showing several of the engravings of this crest is attached). An online Google book (Church Heraldry of Norfolk, from 1889) indicates a William Dix, son and heir of John Dix (1799-1875, buried at Salthouse). It is clear from the crest on the church wall where John is buried that it is an exact match of that on my microscope (greyhound's head, argent, ducally gorged, gules, between two wings erect, or.) and I wonder if John might have been the original owner of this microscope. Do you know anything of this gentleman (John Dix) and whether he might have had an interest in such an instrument, or perhaps where I might learn more about him?
Many thanks in advance for any assistance that you may be able to provide.
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:11 PM
Subject: HMS Princes Victoria
Sir
I was directed to your website via google,while looking for info about Thomas Davidson RN,who was killed on the Princess Victoria ,1940 .Someone requested info on crewmen. Mr Davidson was married to my mother Mary Ellen (Irwin) at that time. They were both from Belfast,my mother is still living ,in New York City . He is buried in Norfolk,Cley next to the sea.
Any info about him or his ship would be welcome.
Thank You
Charles Hughes
I'm sure that Google directed you to the very good site: www.members.lycos.co.uk/hmsprincessvictoria/ I can't offer anything more helpful than that - though there was quite a correspondence about other members of the crew on my website at one time. All the messages are still online but not listed - you have to search through! Nice to meet you
Val
Thank you so much, no I was not directed to the web site you mentioned. It is as much as I had hoped for. I'll print it out and present it to me mum,although I'll have to do it gently,its a lot of info after so many years...............
once again
Thank You
Hi I have enjoyed very much looking at the Salthouse site - having stopped and fed the ducks in the occasional visits to the area I never thought that one day I would decide to look up family connections and be looking at the photos of the area as well as information about the area and of course the `High clan`. I am amused as I was today when people ask me to spell the name out.
I was born and bred in Sheringham my Mum came from Hindol. My Father Reginald came from Letheringsett where lived his Sister Lily and my Gran whilst his Bro George lived in 1 The Butts Wells.I did not know my Grandfather George who must have died when I was a child (I was B1935) His Brother Walter had a son called Peter who used the name High-Caston until 15 yrs ago farmed in Letehringsett Pam his wife was alive when I saw her 2 yrs ago and they have two sons one in SA and the other in Grt Snoring who also use the High-caston name...my Father was reg Caston-High but dropped it when he discovered that when he had trouible getting the Pension - they did not know who he was and he then had to `pay £5 to change his name to what he always thought it was!) With wlater and George there was Rosa and Albert (I think he and his family lived in Thornage). I can go nback to William (1847 and his wife Harriet and then someone emailed me to say that he lived with hijs Grandparents Henry and Weberly (who came from Briston) plus Uncel James 18 and Aunt Mary Ann 24.... Frankly I am intriqued with the Caston connection and am unsure whether Fred High will have info as the family seem more Cley based....anywaywill email Fred...
There were Caston Highs in weybourne but they did not think we were related....there is a saying `it will all come out in the WASH` ! But I dont think the family went that far in Norfolk.
Anyway congrats on a marvelous site...of course if you are partial to info or know where I could get more that would be helpful...must walk round Salthouse the next time we are in Norfolk (I left when I was 17)
Many thanks for your reply - if I knew you were going to post it to your bulletin I would have taken more care - but as now once the adrenalin getts going my hands on the keyboard cannot keep pace with my thoughts ! And alas my previous attempt I somehow wiped off.
Haivng looked at your website again I was interested in the name of the owner of the Fish resturant. When in May I visited Letheringsett I was advised to speak to Arthur (He uses another name)Cockely who is into Bait ! He told me that the last Caston High he knew was Mary Ann who married a Policemen now retired at Acle..he had a Brother somewhere nearer but I have forgotten where. However using 118.com I found the name of Hook and wrote at the beginning of August to see if it might be the same person - it was a chance but no reply at this time. Also some years ago I called into a shop in Cley with High on it and whilst he did not appear to be a relative...
now I would have had more info...he did say that his understanding was that years before to French farmers came to Norfolk then fell out and went their sperate ways...one either added and E or dropped it from the name. I say this because you have a Hye in your information and then because some years ago when visitjg Norfolk...we saw a stall on Norwich market where they were selling seeds with the name Highe on the packets.Also something I learned recently that during the persecution of Christians in France in the 17th century many folks came to Norfolk...
Before I left Sheringham (my parents went ot the Reading area 5 years later) I worked for a greengrocer and one day we went to Stody gardens to collect produce..
when we were returning I was asked about the man we dealt with and when I was told it was my uncle I said I did not know that my boss said he had wondered becuase he thought I would have known who he was ! When I think of its nearness to Holt/Briston which is apparently where my GGF Grandparents lived there must be a tie up somewhere. Even to the Salthouse HIghs., ?
Incidently when I was speaking to Arthur a couple of his `worm diggers`? passed by and one made a humourous remark...then heard me say my Mum came from, Hindol - when asked her name I said Doy and his family lived next door..
Anyway enough for now...many thanks again ...and what super photos and information...glad someone told me about it.
Thanks for posting my letters on the website...I need to buy a laptop soon otherwise my wife will think Ive left her- my study is upstairs .!However having read through the messages more thoroughly and because in the meantime Paula Round & Steve Corke sent me very helpful information I think there may well be a connection with Sue Howes...she mentions Willoughby Caston marrying Henry High - they looked after William his uncle James 18 and Aunt Mary Ann 24 ....William married Harriet and they had four children Rosa. Walter Albert and George my Grandfather ! Thats how I read it anyway....so maybe Sue would like to speak further about this...
This may solve the query I had about the Caston-Highs with willoughby and Henry marrying and possibily using their names in double barrelled fashion..!
Subject: Mack entries from Wickmere for the message section
Dear Val,
I noted Jean's email which notes the mention of Wickmere in connection with the Mack family.
These are the entries for MACK which appear in the Archdeacons Transcripts for that surname from 1665 - 1812, but please note these Ats are missing part years and whole years all the time. The parish registers would give a more complete coverage.
Wickmere AT's
1730 Dec 20th. William son of William & Mary MACK was bapt.
1738 Aug 12th. John son of John & Mary MACK was bapt.
A marriage was almost illegible to the transcriber, Linda Stewart, it was crossed out and then this entry was made. (note the surname of the bride was not noted). 1737 Oct 19 John MACK and Mary his wife were married.
The parish register would give the full entry.
A burial - please note another parish is noted.
1748 June 19th. Elizabeth MACK from Woolterton [Wolterton] was buried.
Just been going through the Norfolk Record Office catalogue and came across these Salthouse surnames on Settlement certificates.
These settlement certificates were papers certifying the person's home parish, or the right to dwell there. Any person without right of settlement, could be removed, hence only those certified were allowed parish relief from the taxpayers if they fell on hard times.
Girdlestone surname [I know many reading the Salthouse History data are following this family].
In the parish records of Ingworth. Overseers of the Poor.
A settlement certificate for Ishmeall GERDELSTEN, his wife and children granted on 3 Aug 1709 - gave certification for the parish of Corpusty. Place of Residence: Ingworth.
A settlement certificate for George GIRDLESTON, & wife Ann dated 18 Sept 1818.
Certification parish: Corpusty; Place of Residence: Holt.
And in the parish of Fakenham. Oct 1757
Robert COLLS, cordwainer and wife Mary, acquired a setttlement certificate for the parish of Salthouse.
Their parish of residence: Fakenham.
The catalogue of the NRO is invaluable to the genealogist. Enter NROCAT in a search engine, followed by the parish or surname required.
Use the 'clickable' below each description, to see further information.
This catalogue also gives the index for the wills for the Archdeaconry courts on each parish, and the ones for Salthouse are there. Also notes ref deeds etc of the Salthouse property. Photocopies of such material can be easily purchased from the NRO for individual researchers.. I think if folks who are interested in Salthouse, look through this catalogue they will note the many will indices there for Salthouse.
All the best to you.
Thanks so much Honor for this information
- - and all the best to you!
Val
see the list of early Salthouse Wills contributed by Honor in 2005
It is a wonderful thing you are doing with this website! I am an American looking for my ancestors. My name is Sharon Bishop. I am the great-granddaughter of William Purdy Bishop (1861-1907) who was the grandson of William Purdy. I did see the note about William & Robert under the PURDY name. Were William & Robert brothers? William Purdy Bishop emigrated to the US around 1883. If there is anyone out there who can help me with my family search I would appreciate it. Thanks.
From: Sharon Bishop (2nd message)
To:Val FiddianSent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Re: salthouse website
I believe the William Purdy I am looking for is the Sathouse landowner. I have ordered and received a marriage certificate from the GRO that Mary Ann Purdy married Everett Bishop on 31 July, 1860 in the Parish Church in the Parish of Salthouse in the County of Norfolk. The birth certificate (born 23 May, 1861) for William Purdy Bishop shows his parents as Everett Bishop and Mary Ann Bishop, formerly Purdy. I have not yet found the birth information for Mary Ann Purdy to verify that William Purdy was her father. I am currently deciphering some census records. The 1881 census lists William Purdy, aged 78 & widowed living on Holt Road (Salthouse, Norfolk, England) with Ellen Purdy, unmarried, aged 45 (another daughter?) William P Bishop, unmarried, aged 19, and 3 other people. Was the Salthouse/Kelling land you speak of on Holt Road? I did go through the Salthouse baptisms, marriages, & burials on your website and found a few items of interest. I hope they are more parts to my puzzle. There is a burial of Jane Purdy pm 17 Feb 1838 and a baby buried 13 weeks later. When I find a birthday of Mary Ann Purdy if it is before 1838 Jane could be William Purdy's wife. He is listed as a widower in more than one census. William Purdy Bishop was born in Blakeney & William Purdy was born in Egmere so I will see if I can find some church records in those communities that will supply more puzzle pieces. If you like when I get more documents to verify these ancestors I will send you my tree. Thanks for your interest.
dear Val,it was good to hear from you,I sinncerely hope they dont go ahead with the building at Eastgate cottage.
sadly it seems to be happening everwhere these days,sometimes it's necessary but otherwise it's just greed.
we live in a very quiet avenue,but last year one resident decided to sell to a develloper who demolished the bungalow and built two 2 storey houses blocking the view of the residents facing them, unfortunately we were to late to prevent it. apart from all that I and my family are well and trust you are too.
keep up the good works,
kind regards from Winnie le Monnier
Twenty two people let me know that they had written to the council in respose to the ALERT message about planning for overdevelopment in Cross Street . Hopefully many more who saw the details also wrote to the council before Monday 16th July! THANKYOU all so much. I'll let you know the outcome eventually. Val
Subject: Dew Family of Salthouse
> Hi Val
>
> What a BRILLIANT site you have created!
>
> I was wondering if you could put me in touch with anyone from the area
> that is researching the DEW Family, I have a family tree of my Dew's
> going back to Britiffe Edmund Dew b c1793 in Salthouse, d 1876 in
> Norwich, in subsequent Census Returns he gives his place of birth as
> Salthouse, Norfolk.
>
> Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alison Tripp
> www.quinfamily.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Macks in Salthouse
see Yvonne Mack's letter one down!
Dear Yvonne -
I read your letter on the Salthouse Site and thought (as I transcribed the register) that I would check the name that you thought might have been mis interpreted. I am afraid that the name in 1539 is not Mack or any version of it - it is Marrhm which is an abbreviated version of a name which could be something like Marsham or maybe Marrham or something else entirely.
There are however quite a few Mack references in the 1600s including one who was from 'Wickmer' and another who married an Edinye which could be a good reference if you already have that name in your family. You may also be able to pick out others on the disk as there are many part names where the edges of pages are missing.
My name is Robert Leslie Salthouse, born in Australia
Son of William John Salthouse, born in Australia
Son of Alfred, born in England.
I was looking for a MySpace on the net, where one of my 26 grandchildren is setting up a message centre for greetings for my 80th birthday, September 18th, when, serendipity, your site appeared.
We are a spread group in Australia, and there is another group in New Zealand, who are no relation we can find, but whose origins are from Canada.
I cannot trace my father's line back further than a Gabrielle Salthouse.
My mother's tree goes back almost to the book. Her maiden name was Gordon, and she was born in Scotland in 1900, came to Australia in 1914.
I may be 80, but I still work a 14 hour day, 7 days, so 'when I get a minute', I'll delve farther. For the present, I must try and work the brain to find this MySpace, of which I know nothing - yet!
Regards, Bob Salthouse (Forget the 'Robert', here in Queensland it's Bob).
I have been researching my husbands family history in Norfolk for about 15 years and from not knowing anything about his family have weaved our through to about 1685 and are 90 % sure he is connected to the Paston Mack’s of Dillham through Henry Mack of Dilhams son Thomas who in turn had an Edward. If we do find the connection then the Mack family are back to 1583. I have been researching and teaching myself how to read old wills in trying to find who Henry’s father was, this search has taken me to Salthouse and Runton. Hence my e-mail to you, I am interested in all information on Mack’s as to find ours I have had to sort out some of the other Mack families but which ever Mack family path you take I am sure they are all leading towards Salthouse and Runton because of the family names. Being mainly Thomas Henry Richard, Robert and John.
In researching Salthouse I was extremely pleased to find your website and behold there are some Macks in the marriages and in the 1539 marriages there is a Richard Marr, I think this could also be a Mack as Mack then was Makk and I think the r ‘s have been mistaken for the k.
If you have any other details on either of these 2 items I would be very glad to hear from you are any other Mack info from Salthouse.
The information was fantastic and I immensely enjoyed reading about Salthouse, I am in Norfolk in October and look forward to visiting the area.
63
October 1798
William MASH
Cley
Anne MACK
Salthouse
Ann Purdy
Hannah Purdy
31st year of Henry VIII (1539)
Richard Marr and Alice his wife, last of April
I have checked all the existing copies of the Salthouse PRs, namely ATs and Bishops Transcripts, as follows:- ATs - Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1686,(Missing 1687), 1688-90,(Missing 1691), 1692-93, (Missing 1694-1706), 1706-07, (missing 1708- 09), 1710-15,(Missing 1716-18), 1719-20, (Missing 1721), 1722, (Missing 1723-28), 1729-31, (Missing 1732-34), 1735-43, 1744-46, (Missing 1747-48), 1749-52, (Missing 1753), 1754-55, (Missing 1756-57), 1758-59, (Missing 1760), 1761-62, 1763-73, 1774-1812.
Baptisms only 1813-1949.
Marriages 1755-1836, (?Missing or none in 1837-1838), 1839-1909.
Banns 1780-1949.
Burials 1817-1886.
Bishops Transcripts:- Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1698, 1705-06, 1708-09, 1790-91, 1776-77, 1784, 1793, 1800, 1805, 1812, 1813-1816 1830, 1831, 1832, 1816, (BTs exist for 1812-51, but I have not searched them).
I have sent you all these dates in case they might be of help to others. I cannot guarantee that all the ones listed as missing, are in fact missing. In many cases it was difficult to decipher the precise dates, in spite of the fact that I examined the original documents.
My main interest in the restored PRs are for the dates that I have recorded as missing after 1730.
At the moment genealogy will have to take a back seat, because I am struggling with the final draft of my book. I don't need to remind you of the problems that that involves!
Best wishes, Ian.
From: "Watts, Jenny - NRO"Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Second Salthouse register
Dear Val,
Hope that you're keeping well, and not getting bored with no exhibitions to
plan and organize!
I have some good news about the second Salthouse register. Antoinette has
finished working on it and we have managed to copy all of it, except for a
few pages at one end, which were in extremely bad condition. As well as
microfilming it, Antoinette took digital photographs of each page, which
have come out really well. Since areas around the edges of the pages are
missing, many entries are incomplete, but apart from the first page, the
writing is generally clear and legible. The only puzzling thing is the lack
of marriages. I only found two and there must have been more than that
between 1713 and 1755, when the new marriage register starts.
We have printed off an A3 copy of the register, which I have just put into
the searchroom, where it is shelved with the parish register transcripts in
the microform section, along with the hard-copy of the first Salthouse
register. I am posting you a disk of the images, as we thought you would
like a copy for Salthouse.
In case you get asked about the Kelling registers, I have filled out a
conservation card for them, and I am hoping that Antoinette may be able to
clean the second register in due course, provided it is robust enough. We
would then hope to microfilm it and make a colour digital copy, like the
second Salthouse volume. Unfortunately, the first Kelling register is really
beyond even Antoinette's skills at present, though perhaps something may be
possible if conservation techniques develop further in the future.
I have given it 'A' priority in the list of documents awaiting
conservation, since several people have expressed an interest in it.
I also include a copy of the new description of the register in our
catalogue. click here to read this
Jenny.
From: Jillgirdlestone
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Girdlestone Family
Hi Val
I was catching up on the new look web site which looks great and came across a message from Patricia Millership.
In my search for my husbands family - Girdlestone (who are believed to be connnected to the John of Kelling - one connection still to prove) I have come across information on Patricia's side. If you would like to pass my email address to her then I will gladly share what information I have.
All the best
Hi Jill,
I will gladly give you Patricia's address, it's lovely to be instrumental in connecting people!
Hope it's OK to put your message 'up'. Glad you like the new format.
As you may know tiscali is having trouble with spammers and therefore this email to you may be slow in coming!
Hi Val,
Have been reading your web site with interest what a lot of work has gone into it!
I myself started researching my husbands and my own family trees about 5 years ago,he is descended from a line of Girdlestones who until recently I believed were from the John Girdlestone/Mary Ebden line. Liza Daly and myself passed many e-mails the other night at the same time I was delving through my old research and getting some new census info when I found that the link I had through Charlotte Girdlestone b 1861 was not the right Charlotte and the one to our line was b 1855!
Our line now seems to go:
William Girdlestone b1755 Holt m Anne Balders in1776 who produced
William b 1780 Holt(A Tailor in 1841 census) m Martha Humphries in1806 who had
George b1811 Holt(Agricultural labourer in 1841) m Mary Ann Dougherty who had
Charlotte b1855 North Walsham m Robert Hewitt in 1876 who had
Matilda Ellen Hewitt in 1896 who is my hubbys nan.
I have found a lot of info on these births from Dave Addys site and have mailed him also (no reply as yet).
I would appreciate it greatly if you had any more info you may be able to pass on, I understand that the Girdlestones seem to originate from 2 families one in Salthouse and one in Kelling have you any ideas were the Holt Girdlestones come from??
Thanks in advance,
I've just come across your website and what a joy it is. So very cheery.
I have just found the 1861 census in which a very distant relative says she is from Salthouse. Her name was MARY ANN LARKINS. Is Larkins a common local name and is there anything you could tell me about such families.
I'd would be very grateful for anything you could tell me.
I’ve received a couple of photos from my Dad’s cousin and I thought you might like copies for your Salthouse history records. The first is of the miller John Dewing Jarvis, his wife Sarah Perfrement and their four youngest children, Edward, David Parlett, John Dodman (my g grandfather) and Georgiana. Judging from the age of the children I’d guess the picture was taken in around 1858 or 59. Strange to think that little David grew up to find himself sheltering on the top floor of the mill during the ‘Great Rage’ of 1897.
I’ve also attached a photo of the shop that Georgiana used to run. This was taken in 1931 by Kathleen (Ina), one of John Dodman’s daughters. Her son Neville says his mother told him that if you stood looking at the mill with your back to the sea then the shop could be seen under the left-hand sail. I’ve been trying to cross-reference that with the photos on the
Norfolk
mills website taken in 1910 and 1912 and you can certainly see a cottage of the correct chimney and window configuration which appears to face seawards at the end of
Cross St
. Comparing it with the film I took a few weeks ago I wondered if it was the peach/salmon-pink-coloured cottage that still stands on the main road. The windows and doors have been moved of course but it looks similar in size and shape. What do you think?
Dad and I really enjoyed our brief visit to Salthouse in April. We were immensely impressed with the display in the church and would like to thank you for the time you spent chatting with us and making us feel part of it all.
I hope you like the photos, I’ve sent copies to my cousin Alison and also to Margaret Pope as I know she is descended from Edward Jarvis.
Very best regards,
HERE are Janines pictures: CLICK HERE
Since I first visited your fantastic website in December 2006,I cannot keep away.
I last wrote to you on 19th Dec 06 re: Sophia Pooley who was my 3xG.Grandmother & from Salthouse.
Sophia was the daughter of James Pooley & Mercy Pratt,who married 18th Jan 1799.
Is there anyone who can help me find out who were the parents of James Pooley and/or Mercy Pratt.
I have trawled through the site records & cannot find anyone else with those surnames who could be possibles.
Very interesting to find Mercy, named as Massa in the census records for Salthouse, and also to see that she was the cook for Robert Purdy-farmer.
Can you also tell me anything about W.Girdlestone who is named as the person who baptised James & Mercy's children according to the site records.The reason I ask is that I have a Charlotte Girdlestone married to Edward Bone/Bunn -Blacksmith & they had a son William.b.1811. I think Charlotte & Edward lived in Holt.
Thank you for all the photos of the exhibition, they and the exhibition look wonderful. Well done.
I would have liked to have made the trip and been there but unfortunately just don't have the time this year.
Hope you are having fun and perhaps now the preparation for the exhibition is finished you may have time for your other interests.
Thanks again
All best wishes
Fred
Hello Fred,
How nice of you! And good to know you've seen what I finally managed to put online, having ignored the website for so long!
It has been super at the exhibition for me meeting a lot of people who correspond with the Salthouse site turning up at the exhibition and I am able to put faces to lots of people who were only names to me before. A lot of people have seen your photo on the High tree which was built from your research. It really has been a great success and all sorts of connections I didn't know about have been revealed too.
Kind regards and thanks for all your wonderful research on the Highs which enabled me to make the tree on display in the church!
> Hi Val,
>
> Great website. I thought you might like to know that I am the granddaughter
> of Edith High and William Henry Martin Browning so you can delete the query
> that you have in your records.
>
> I am the daughter of Sydney Edward Browning and Ethel Isabel Smithyes and I
> have a brother David Edward Browning. I am married to Larry Brooks and my
> brother is married to Jeanette Daisy Parks. We both have children.
>
> My husband has done a lot of family history searching over the years and we
> were delighted to come across your site as well as Fred High's detailed
> records today.
>
> If you would like any more information, do not hesitate to get in touch.
>
> Yours
>
> Ruth Christine Brooks
>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Salthouse History Website
Val,
I've been meaning to reply on a technical issue, but have only just been prompted by receipt of an email. I was going to ask you to remove my email address from my email signature that you published on your web site. The reason for this is that there are automated processes available to criminals that automatically trawl the web for email addresses. These are then used to send out apparently personal emails from fraudsters. On my web site, the only email address I publish is webmaster@thehighs.org.uk. Emails I receive to this address are then treated with the utmost caution.
I have just had my first scam email to michael@thehighs.org.uk, which broke through my span filter as the rules are not as severe as those for the webmaster address. As you will see from the attached copy of the email, you received a copy, as did Fred High.
Would you please remove my email address from your web site. If you find that many of the email addresses on the attached message are not on your web site but are in your personal contacts list on your computer, there is a possibility that your computer is infected with a virus. To check this out, make sure that your anti-virus programme has the latest updates and then run a full scan of your machine. Please forgive me if you are a technical wizard and I am teaching my metaphorical grandmother to suck eggs!
Best wishes
Michael High
Dear Michael,
I am so sorry about your scam mail. I was unable to open your enclosure I'm afraid - I was told it was 'not a valid web-archive'. I did a full system scan on my computer last night and the result was zero, virus, spyware or anything at all. I am now goingto try to find all the instances of your address on the website! to eradicate them.
What was the message on the greetings message? I do get messages which I simply delete without opening. Thank goodness my computer is absolutely clear according to the latest Norton. Many of those address are on my message page but some I don't recognise. Thanks for your concern. I have left your website address still on the messages page - is that OK?
All the best
Val
Hi Michael
Thanks for sending me the con-man letter! -- How funny!! I actually collect these! I find them so funny. I print them out and have them in a folder when I'm not too busy!! They are quite harmless fishing for suckers, who, when they are nearly going to get thousands of dollars into their hands, become willing to pay a couple of hundred pounds to facilitate matters and then find that they hear no more. These con people also try it with holiday bookings wanting to book and then send a huge amount of money that will be for expenses while in England or some such.
Have a good day. What a shame you'll just miss seeing this Exhibition in Salthouse in March and the huge family tree!
Hi there
I have just found your wonderful Salthouse web site. My mother always
wanted to visit Salthouse to see if she could find out anything about
her mother's family history. Sadly she died before miracle of the
internet could provide such riches.
My mother was the daughter of Lottie High daughter of Charlotte (born
Pigott) and Jack (John William).
I attach a picture taken which includes Lottie on the left, then her
mother Charlotte. I think the shorter of the two gents is John
William High but maybe its the other chap.
Lottie married Tommy Thomas, a self made man in Middlesbrough who was
for a time chairman of Middlesbrough football club.
The photo is interesting because it looks as if it was taken at the
same time as your picture of Balaklava Cottage - same people,
different view?
best wishes
John
You are right! it is the same people in the two photos. Click on the thumbnails to see full size
I thought you might be interested in this cutting and photo of John Dodman Jarvis (John Dewing Jarvis's youngest son; David Jarvis's brother - both referred to on your site).
After completing his teaching apprenticeship at Cley, John settled in the North East. His son, John Dewing junior, also went on to be a teacher.
Best wishes,
Alison
To see Alison's photo full size click on the first thumbnail photo>
Just a note to say how much I am enjoying sampling the treasures on the website. I very much appreciate the hard work you must be putting in to it. I am another member of the High family who started out vaguely aware that my ancestors came from Norfolk. Through the internet, I became aware of the work of Fred High, who turns out to be a second cousin once removed (and living in Australia). So thanks to your site I am now able to see where my ancestors came from as it is now, look at the maps as it was then and learn all sorts of interesting background information.
I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
I could not contact you via Outlook Express so I apologise.First of all may I say what a fantastic site.Just browsing your site gave me information I have been searching for.
In my tree I have Sophia Pooley c.1808 daughter of James Pooley & Mercy Pooley nee Pratt all born Salthouse.
My search originated through my mothers family of Olleys all in Holt,Norfolk,with a connection to the Pooleys via the Bunn family.
I have noticed that in your messages there is Susan Bunn who has enquired about the Pooleys.
When I visited your fabulous site I also read about James Olley,a fantastic character & maybe another of my ancestors.
My 2x Great Grandfather was James Olley born Stody,Norfolk c.1826. Marriage to Eliza Knowles 29.Jan 1858 @ The Parish Church Hunworth.
I am now wondering if my James Olley is the same one on your website.
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: girdlestone family tree
Hi I am trying to tracing my husbands family tree - his name is Karl Girdlestone.
So far we have traced back to a Robert Drake Girdlestone of 1833 in Norfolk. We know he was a master miller in 1871 and married a Anna Elizabeth Gravlin of 1834. They had a son John Corbett Girdlestone on 21/03/1876 who is my husband Great Grandfather. Would this be the same family as the one you have searched.
Any help you can give us would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Val I was reading the previous messages from families connected to
Salthouse and came across a letter from a ARNOLD ELSY /GLEN MATTHEWS where
it was mentioned that a book was in the process of being written about the
ELSY family. Do you know whether that book was ever published
Sheilagh
Just had to let you know that I think your website is absolutely brilliant. I came across it purely by accident but what a treasure trove. I have traced several people I am almost certain are my ancestors and reading about the history of Salthouse has given me a fascinating insight into the place where they lived.
I have found several names in the baptisms, burials and MI's and I now know my Great Great Great Great Grandmother was buried in St Nicholas Churchyard. I have even discovered there is a Grouts Lane in Salthouse - the family name I am researching is Grout.
A lot of hard work has obviously gone in to transcribing records and providing all the information you show and I for one very much appreciate it.
I will continue to look from time to time to see if you have any new information.
What a fantastic site,Ive spent 5 years looking for a marriage (proudfoot and thurston) from Sharrington and Cley and 5 mins into browsing your marriages in salthouse up it comes!!
Fantastic.
I was wondering if you know wether Honor Jones site norfolk history is still up and running,I cant seem to access it.Any ideas.
Hi
I grew up in Kelling and I am on one of the Kelling School photos . My marriage to Robert Bone in 1960 was held at Salthouse church because Kelling church was being repaired . I beleive you interveiwed my mother Sheila Harrison who lived in Kelling but now lives in Holt where will I find that interview ? If you extend your research to Kelling I may be able to help you
regards SHIRLEY HARRISON { that was }
Hi Shirley,
I did have a lovely talk with your mother but mostly we looked at photos and identified people . I had to type her name into the 'search' (on the left on my home page) to find where she had got to!! (which you could have done) - but if you go to the Kelling school page ( www.salthousehistory.co.uk/kelling-school2.html) then click on the small picture on the right near the top with the title under it saying The master in this group is Mr Ridley and then click on the text that says click here for a memory of Mr Ridley's disciplineand that takes you to the little bit I quoted from your Mother! You can also see a bit from her friend Ellen Nurse if you click on the 1932 picture which I think she gave me.
Just had to let you know that I think your website is absolutely brilliant. I came across it purely by accident but what a treasure trove. I have traced several people I am almost certain are my ancestors and reading about the history of Salthouse has given me a fascinating insight into the place where they lived.
I have found several names in the baptisms, burials and MI's and I now know my Great Great Great Great Grandmother was buried in St Nicholas Churchyard. I have even discovered there is a Grouts Lane in Salthouse - the family name I am researching is Grout.
A lot of hard work has obviously gone in to transcribing records and providing all the information you show and I for one very much appreciate it.
I will continue to look from time to time to see if you have any new information.
I have just visited your Girdlestone web site as I am trying to identify the origins of William Girdleston Of Halesworth and Earsham. possibly the son of James & Sarah, again possibly married Norwich 1758
it has been suggested to me they originate from the Holt line
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: new email address.
Hello Val
It has been a while since I visited your site. I have had to take a break from the family history research as it was taking over my life.! But I`m back.!
Hope you are well.
I was really interested in Julia Pitchers message but did she mean to say "Charles` father, Ernest was my fathers (David George) father."?
or am I reading it incorrectly. I would like to hear from her.
Your enquiry about the Forsdicks has been passed to me to see if I can help you - I help co-ordinate the efforts of several 'Forsdick Hunters' from around the world and have data on a large number of Forsdicks originating from Suffolk and Norfolk in the UK.
I can't immediately trace your George William F or Albert George F from your description although these names are common in parts of the family. If you could send me full details on your Forsdicks - any names, siblings, dates, places that you have, even if it is only family rumour - and I would be happy to run a search of UK census returns etc and see if we can place you in our tree.
Val what a lovely and interesting web page you have created.
I am related to the Forsdicks from Norfolk George William Forsdick ( I don't know his dates) he was a master Outfitter, 33 Hight street Grays, country of Esses England
my grand father was Albert George born 1/8/1882 Nantwich immagrated south africa,
maybe related to Friday forsdick> can you help. I live in South africa.
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Christianna High
Hi Val,
Just had to send you many thanks for the fantastic website,I had a photo of a husband and wife from the Kendle side of my family and was able to confirm it to be Christianna and Charles through the photo of her that you have posted on the website.I have only very recently started to compile my family tree and have found the information from Daphne Nobes' tree very helpful indeed.It was good to read the emails from Sandra Fishwick and Joy Davies you can almost feel the family connections through the emails.
Christianna High was my Great Grandmother through marriage to Charles Kendle.Charles' father,Ernest was my fathers {David George} father.If anyone can give me any information at all it would be much appreciated.
I am 12 years old and am looking for information and photos of my great
grandmother Ivy Nightingale my grandad told me that she was a performer and
Very popular but I cant find her its probally because I don't know a lot
about reasearch on the computer but I would really like to know more! My
grandad doesent have any photos of her so
If you could find one ide be verry grateful! Thank you.
Dear Beth, I have sent you several photos of Ivy Nightingale and if you click on this link, you can see her sitting on her mother's knee! www.salthousehistory.co.uk/famselina.html
I am trying to find out more information on the crash of LM 720 into the Radar mast on top of Bard hill. I first saw the mast base and generator room (Or Stand by set house as it is known) about 25 years ago when, as an Army cadet on annual camp at Holt, we marched to Salthouse heath and camped there. I remember wondering at the time about these building all alone up on the heath but, at that time, it was as far as my interest went. About 3 years ago Flypast had a picture of an airman from Coltishall placing a wreath on the pylon base and it aroused my interest again. I have since been to the RAF Museum at Hendon to view the reports on the accident and have had some information from a Radar museum about the actual site. Do you know of anyone who remembers the event or even better any photographs of the whole radar site before and after the accident. I have seen the photo of the tower after the Lancaster had hit it and would be very interested in any photographs before the crash.
This is an excerpt from the latest message from Senior Archivist Jenny Watts of the NRO
concerning the now readable 'Buried Records' from the Salthouse Register of 1538 -1713 which are on microfilm at the NRO, and will be available eventually in digi-photographic form on CD.
Thank you for your email. I was going to contact you today to let you know that the microfilm of the register is now available in the NRO searchroom (reference MF/RO 673/3). There should be a short piece in our next NRO Newsletter publicising this. A slight drawback with the film is that it is not in strict page number order, since each sheet of parchment has been filmed as one frame. This is because we were concerned that the amount of additional handling necessary to film in strict page number order might result in damage to the register pages, even inside the trantec sheets.
I think that people are going to find the CD much clearer and easier to read, and that once the CD is available the film will act more as a preservation copy than an access copy. We would certainly like to have a CD available for the public in the searchroom and if you are happy, we might print out a copy from the CD for consultation also. We will not, of course, make the CD or any printout from the CD available to the public before it becomes commercially available in May. -----
I was having a bit of a tidy up and came across this photo. It is in the vestry of Glandford Church and was taken quite a long time ago. I have never thought much about the other names on the memorial but now that I have a subscription to Ancestry I have been able to look at some of them.
I believe the Arthur Holman to be the one on your Holman Tree born in 1878 son of Isaac and Ann (Ives). The age on the 1901 census fits and they are both bricklayers.
It occurred to me that the people researching the Holman family may not know about this memorial as the vestry is normally kept locked so it goes un-noticed. Perhaps you could be so kind as to forward it to them.
I realise that I now have 2 people on this memorial who are on my family tree. My software calculates that Arthur was Constance's Cousin.
I have also seen a picture of the church before they did the work on it. It was in a very ruinous state so there was a tremendous amount of work to do on it. I expect the work was a godsend to the workers although rumour has it that Sir Alfred Jodrell didn't always pay them promptly!
Sorry it has been a while since I have been in touch. I am really impressed with the updated website-what a treasure trove it is.
I have not forgotten that I promised to send you (and Fred among others) the family tree of Emma High Kendle and James Richard Bunnett, my great-grandparents. I have a new PC and if someone can send me an idiot's guide as to how ged.com works I would be eternally grateful! I don't want to lose all my data by mistake!!! The data is in Family Historian2.
I'm sure someone out there (possibly a distant relative?) can help.
regards
Sandra Fishwick
message for PAUL ALLEN: your email address doesn't work any more!
and Jenny Adams,
who has researched all the DACK family data on this site,
would like to contact you about your 4x Great grand father John Dack
I have just come across your wonderful site as I was researching into my own "Jarvis" history. I have found a posting from 26 August 2004 from 'Margaret' which references an Edward Jarvis b. March 1848 who is her great-grandfather. I think, but am not positive, that this may be my great-great-grandfather. I have found entries in the British 1881 Census that has Edward listed as the Head of household for 22 Kent Terrace in Southcoates, York, England, along with his wife Catherine and three children. As there is some confusion as to when my great-grandfather David Parllett Jarvis was born (dates range from 1879 - 1882), he may not have been listed on the census as he was not yet born. I am curious if Margaret knows Catherine's maiden name as my family resources have it recorded as Norman and it would confirm that this is the Edward Jarvis and Catherine Norman that I'm looking for.
Thank you in advance for your assistance & keep up the wonderful work on your site!
Sincerely,
Deborah Jarvis
Burlington, Ontario
I have forwarded your message to Margaret and I'll be most interested to hear if she can help. Maybe David Parlett Jarvis' baptism will be found in the Salthouse 'Buried Records' when they are readable - as they will be very soon. Parlett is also a Salthouse name.
You may recall I mailed you a couple of weeks ago concerning this gentleman who features on your site and that I advised he died in our village back in the 1920's.....at another Balaclava Cottage!
On a trip out yesterday we were in Salthouse and I spoke to the very Scottish 'Mac' who owns Mac'sPlaice. Asked him if he knew the location of the cottage but he hadn't heard of it - presumably name changed frequently since.
Can you tell me which house it is in the villlage and where it's located. Many thanks.
Incidentally, last week I spoke to a friend in Elsing whose grandfather was present at James Olley's funeral at which a twenty one gun salute was given!
Regards.
Anthony Smith
James Olley's house is the one to the left of the post office, now called Marsh Cottage.
Here it is in the early 1900s about the time he was living there and called it Balaclava Cottage.
Read about his experience of the Charge of the Light Brigade click here
My mother also Charlotte was one of the seven children of Charlotte and Samuel Dix. She had three brothers Sidney and Thomas who were killed in the first world war and Sammy. Also three sisters Elsie Alice and Margaret. To my knowledge there was no Edie.I think the third person in the photo is Elsie.One of my memories of visiting Salthouse as a child was going to a party at the rocket house possibly th VJ day celbrations.
Hi Val,
Thank you for your lovely reply to my email, with that and your fantastic web site I feel I am getting to know something of my grandmother’s life (she died before I was born).
As a child my visits to Salthouse where quite rare, though we lived just twelve miles away, travel was not so easy in those days. I remember the occasional day trip to see my Aunt Elsie and Uncle Sammy in their cottage on Bard hill and Aunt Alice and .Uncle Walter at the Dun cow. In the afternoon when the pub was shut we would sit in the bar (the only one at that time) which fascinated me because children weren’t allowed in pubs then.
Have attached two photos one of Elsie and one of Sammy they are not in very good condition so I don’t know if you will want to put them on the website.
Thanks again
June
Here are the photos click on them
to see them larger
just a quick hi, looking in to the history of the dack family and it interesting to see Matthew Twite Dack, it turns out that his farther Thomas Dack 1793 and my 4x Great grand father John Dack 1796 were brothers
I'm doing some personal research into Mill Street, Elsing where I live and have come across this gentleman in connection with his final resting place.
The information is essentially anecdotal and briefly is as follows:
James Olley lived at Balaclava Cottage here in Mill Street (now known as Riverview Cottage) where he died. His body was taken by gun carriage from his home to Elsing churchyard where he is apparently buried; unfortunately the exact burial spot cannot be found.
Can you please tell me, if you know, or are aware, whether this can be corroborated in any way? It could be that a few Norfolk villages may lay claim to this sort of information reading between the lines but I've no real reason to doubt its authenticty.
Many thanks for your assistance; I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Anthony Smith, Mill Street, Elsing
Dear Anthony,
How interesting! I had no knowledge of where he ended up and thank you very much for your letter. Salthouse's connection with James Olley can be seen here, but I can't offer any more info on him.
Best regards
Val
I have just looked on the Salthouse site after a few months researching
other lines and found the grave stones which have recently been "unearthed".
It was great to see John Dewing Jarvis and his wife Sarah Ann and possibly
her parents Samuel and Susanna Perfrement.
Can anyone confirm these were her parents? Let's have more Jarvis
descendants leaving messages, the Highs are very much in prominence I see.
Dear Val
I enjoyed staying in Salthouse, back to "my" roots somewhat I guess, it was nice knowing family members used to live there and being able to walk past their door so to speak made the research come alive a little more!
I have processed all the info I found at the record office and the graveyard at Salthouse into the Dack family tree programm, I now have a huge list of people to find in the census returns from Holt, Stody and Salthouse from 1851-1901.
I have contacted Susan Bunn re the Pooley connection, she was able to tell me that she had seen and knew of James Pooley but had never been able to connect him to the family, the few bits that I found now tie up with what she had, in fact on the internet (IGI) I found James Pooley (of Salthouse born c1773) married in Salthouse on the 18/01/1799 Mercy Pratt (of Salthouse born c1777), unfortunately no parents listed for either person, i also found another daughter born in Kelling on the 30/01/1812 and bapt 02/02/1812 in Kelling called Mary Ann Pooley, perhaps the Pooley's moved from Salthouse to Kelling for a time before moving back in 1815 in time for Hannah Pooley's baptism.
I read with interest the details of James Olley on your site ..
I wondered if you had any of his genealogy. I am decended from a John Olley & Jemima Lake who lived in Newmarket and I am trying to establish a connection !
There have been so many queries, corrections and additions to the descendants of William and Hester High I have decided to send you an update as I am now getting emails from viewers of your website commenting on the same errors or omissions.
Hopefully by sending you the latest version it will help your viewers as well as reducing the emails to yourself and myself regarding queries on the family members.
From the weather chart it appears a nice warm day in Salthouse today - enjoy it.
To:Fred High Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: High Tree Update
Hello Fred,
Thank you very much for the latest tree which I have gratefully put up in place of the previous. Hope I've covered all the places where it was accessible
Yes it was a sunny day! we deserved it - it has been foul recently!
I have recently chanced upon the Salthouse Website while looking for the Salthouse book (which I understand is out of print - I shall have to make
do with a library copy) - My mother was born in Salthouse as was my Great
Grandmother Ann High. It is an excellent site and makes very entertaining
visiting.
Re the High family tree I think there are a couple of errors that perhaps
need checking.
The entry 4 - Charles High (old eggie) b 14 Dec 1823 appears to still be
alive on the 1901 census on the website so presumably then did not die in
1894 as per the tree?
His "daughter" Sarah Ann High b 1861 and married to John Dew - according to
the census she is the daughter of Henry High and not Charles High ?
In place of Sarah Ann should be Ann High (my great grandmother) who went on
to marry Samuel Chatten in Tasburgh (I have her birth and marriage
certificate copies) and she is buried in Tendring Church yard in Essex (as
is Samuel but since he died about 40 years before Annie his grave is not
marked - it must have been a struggle for her with 6 children under 10 and
neither near her family in Salthouse nor his family around Tasburgh and the
surrounding villages)
According to the census another daughter of Charles, Mary came after Ann.
Since my grandmother, Ann's daughter Amy Chatten (my grandmother) was born
and brought up in Tendring it is a bit odd that she went to Salthouse to
give birth to my mother - but my Grandfather Albert Lewis, Amy's husband
was still in the navy at this time (1928), so presumably Ann took Amy back
to her family in Salthouse, presumably to a sister of hers as her mother
would have been long dead by then.
Thanks very much for the info posted on the website - I think it is a
fantastic project - and I hope the info above helps Fred to tidy his tree -
he can check the census on the website and see if he agrees.
Thanks again
PS from Val:
Mistakes in the Salthouse Highs may be my fault not Fred's - since I think I supplied him with the bit about 'Old Eggie' which came from Jim Radley originally - but he'll be keen to correct them I know!
J
Hello John and Val
It is great to receive corrections to the High Family Tree. They are very
much appreciated.
I will make the corrections. along with others, plus some additions before
Val's exhibition in Salthouse next year.
Over the past couple of months I have been receiving about an email a week
on the family tree, so when I make all the corrections and additions it will
be somewhat different from what is on the website at this time. It is a
never ending project.
Henry's Sarah Ann was born 28 April 1861 and married John William Dew in
Salthouse 31 March 1887.
Charles's Sarah Ann was born 21 April 1852 and she married Charles Barstead
on 24 Oct 1871 in Salthouse.
Charles (Old Eggie) died in Salthouse in 1908.
I have now adjusted the Family Tree to reflect these corrections.
As there have been many corrections and about 200 additions to the Family
Tree shown on your website, when I finish these latest lot of additions and
corrections I will forward you a copy for the website.
The majority of the additions relate to the descendants of Mary High b.1790
and William Cubitt b.1787 and married in Salthouse 14 June 1810.
There are now about 1,900 people on the tree and to draw this by hand would
be a monster task, almost impossible. Besides all the old families of
Salthouse are inter-related which makes the task even more difficult.
Perhaps if I send you a GED file you could project the various Family Trees
on a screen providing you have Family Treemaker software.
I really do appreciate the emails from people who take the time to read the
High family tree and offer additional information and corrections. Besides
they are in all cases relatives who I have never met or in the majority of
cases didn't know existed as my research stopped primarily at about 1901
except for my direct line.
Research post 1901 is now becoming easier with the BMD to 2004 being
available on line from Ancestory.com However, it is very time consuming and
I have found while they claim to be complete, they are not with complete
quarters of record information missing and many BMD not being recorded.
I will be in touch again when I have completed the next phase.
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