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From: Francis Wright
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:16 AM
Subject: William Holman
From: eric mason
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Rose Pigott
Hi Val. We hope this finds you ok. Our investigations into Rose have revealed some surprising revelations, records show that she married Joseph John Mileham in the last qtr 1900, then a daughter was born Violet Gladys May Mileham B25.8.1901, it appears that she was the sister of John William Pigott b20.12.1899, Margaret's Father, then in the last qtr 1912 she married her sister Minnie's husband and became Mrs Godfrey. More surpring They came to Fakenham and took over the Bull PH in 1916 until 1925, they had two sons Arthur & Fred They both went to Fakenham PES school, Arthur won a scholarship to the Secondry shool Fred returned to Cawston. Arthur joined the RAF and went to the officers training college at RAF Cranwell in communications and eventually emigrated to N Zealand, Fred finished up in London. We have a lot more to check before we get to the end, its so exciting when the links all fall into place it becomes addictive.
|see the pages that have been made as a result of photos sent by Eric & Margaret click here
To : firstname.lastname@example.org
From: arnold elsy
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005
subject: salthouse ancestors
I am indeed indebted to your interesting site, and in particular to the contributor to the Elsy page, Glen Matthews, for that valuable and hitherto unknown, to me, information. The wedding witness he mentions, William C Elsy, is my great grandfather.
I am a late entrant to family history, but I offer the information I presently hold.I knew my great grandfather was born in Norfolk but not the location.
He married Elizabeth Featherstone, of Rochester , Kent , at St. Nicholas Parish Church, Rochester .Date: 24 th August 1854 .The certificate shows: Both of full age, Elizabeth as spinster, and William as widower.He is listed as Waterman. (he is Master Mariner on my G/father's Marriage Cert in 1892 ). Her father too, is listed as Waterman and his father is listed as Joseph Elsy, Hair Dryer.
Glad you like the information.
I noticed that there was a Richard Platten in your memorial inscriptions by Dew. Richard may have been a brother of Robert. Robert was born 1781 and Richard would have been born the following year. Robert was living in Cley at the time he was master of the Sarah.
38. Ann GIBBS, died Jan 21st 1805, Aged 45 years.
Richard PLATTEN died April 29th, 1805 Aged 23 years.
Re Jeremiah Moore. Looks like this is not the correct person as he was of full age in 1839, whereas the seaman John was only 18 in 1841 and was an apprentice so would more than likely be unmarried.
Thanks for the last email its gratifying to know that I have been able to provide so much that links up with the information that you already had on your site. It all looks terrific.
With so much of your site being of people who were seafarers, I thought I would look up the information that I have on my own seafaring family connections to see if they would shed any light on fellow crewmembers from Salthouse. I have in fact managed to find a couple of pieces of information.
One of the crew members was a John Moor??sh (its not very clear) He was 18 and from Salthouse. The ship was the Tamelane of Cley. The date of his apprentice’s indentures was 11 October 1841 and was registered in London. It was his first ship. It was the same ship that Robert Larkman my great great grandfather was on. Details of the voyages shared with Robert Larkman are attached.
The other person from Salthouse was Robert Platten aged 54 in 1835 he was master of the Sarah of Cley on which my other Great great grandfather Joseph Elsy was an apprentice. There was a James Randell on the same ship he was the mate but was from Clay. He was aged 30 in 1835,
I notice neither names appear on your family listings hopefully it may trigger a few peoples memories as I would be particularly interested in Robert Platten since Joseph Elsy was on his ship for quite some time.
click here to see the Pigotts page
that has been enhanced by Glen's info
and here for his full list of Salthouse families in South Shields in 1891 or click on
'are attached' (above) to see details of v
mentioned in this latest letter
Many people moved to South Shields from in and around your area. I suppose with so much sea travel between the 2 areas and the decline in agriculture combined with the expansion of South Shields it was inevitable that so many people would be attracted to the north. Should you wish for any information on those that moved to South Shields I have the 1891census for South Shields on CD and would be happy to provide any information you require? The following families all appear on the census as having been born in Salthouse
Should you wish for any information on those that moved to South Shields I have the 1891census for South Shields on CD and would be happy to provide any information you require? The following families all appear on the census as having been born in Salthouse
Barstad, Pigott, Thomas Dew (Master mariner), Charles William Grout (Mariner) Mary Ann Pegg (80 Mother and blind) Barbara Bullard wife of William Bullard master mariner of Blakeney,
I am afraid I have now exhausted all the information I have on Salthouse.
[Click here to see the full list Glen sent of Salthouse families living in South Shields in 1891]
I have been looking at a passenger list for 1637 from Yarmouth to Holland, and found these entries, one for Salthouse and one for Blakeney. No actual day data or month but certainly 1637.
"Examinatinon of Nicho. BARBER borne in Salthouse in Norfolk, ageed aboutt 37 is desirous to goe over to Sarve [Serve] on Mr.SMITH a Marchant [merchant] and to retorne [return] with his sayd Master."
15 May 1637
"The examination of Thomas CORNEY, of Blackney [must be Blakeney] in Norff ageed 15 yeares with his frindes [friends] consent is desirous to pass to Rotterdam in Holland there to live as an aprintes [an apprentice]."
I find these little snippets so interesting, and we always said folks did
not roam far from home !!!!
Subject: Pigotts etc.
Dear Val Fiddian,
My maiden name is Randall and whilst on holiday in August 2003 I visited the exhibiton at Salthouse church where I was bothe surprised and delighted to see several references to my ancestors by way of wills etc and particularly to Randall's folly built by Onesiphorus.
At the time of my visit I did leave my contact details with one of the stewards at the exhibition and had hoped to follow up further research into my family ancestry through the Salthouse History Group records. At present time I have ascertained links back to Matthew Randall (1733-1808), grandfather to Onesiphorus.
I should be pleased to know whether or not your records are available for viewing or, in the first instance, could you let me have a resumé of information held in your records pertaining to the Randalls?
Dear Val, First, belated season's greetings. Second, sorry if I appear to have ignored your previous communications. This has been a combination of pressure of work (as ever) and a computer update. The latter resulted in a system where incoming read e-mail is NOT saved automatically. By the time I twigged this your previous communications - as I recall contact details for Jill West (and her married name), which I would appreciate again - and also your change of e-mail address were lost. Initial attempts to find you via your website (I recalled that the address had also changed) were abandoned in the face of 6750 results for Salthouse, but perseverance paid off, you are actually quite close to the front of the list. There were some questions left hanging. The first was where Billy West lived. In the late 1940's he lived in Cross Street in a bungalow, further up than Cubitts, There was/is a barn on the end of the building (which looks very different now) where Billy used to keep an old red cow. Opposite was a vegetable garden which was used by Uncle Percy (Radley) but was rather overgrown Uncle Percy had been gassed in WW1 and never enjoyed good health. He died when I was quite young, but I do not remember the year. It would be before 1952 I think. That year my dog died (it was a bit older than me) not long before our holiday. I was very upset. When I got to Salthouse someone -and I now don't remember who, delivered a "replacement" little puppy, a black labrador. However within a day or so the puppy had a series of fits and was deemed incurable. Billy West took it away and shot it - a kindly act at the time.Sometime around then Billy moved to a house just south of the junction of Market Lane and Bard Hill On the left looking upwards. Not quite on the corner but very near. This was much closer to his stack yard where he kept his tractor and implements North corner of the same junction. His dairy and shippon was opposite the hall in a series of buildings where several farmers had accommodation. I remember trying (without success) to kill rats with bricks in the stable which belonged to Newton Lemmon I think the last man in Salthouse to farm with horses. He (Newton Lemmon) also had a very old (even at the time) Field Marshall tractor which he used for the harvest, He always got in trouble for this as it had iron wheels with spikes so it dug up the road surface when he crossed it! All the farmers had horses just after the war, even though they often had tractors as well. Billy West had 2 One was shire (a Suffolk Punch I think) called Pop which was enormous Somewhere there is a snapshot of me aged about 5 sat on Pop. You may have heard the expression "pea on a drum" -well it is a good description. The other horse was a mare which used to pull a dog cart. We went round the local auctions in this, although for those furthest away - such as Fakenham, we often took the alternative transport of Tommy Grey's van. Must go now as my son has arrived to take me to lunch
Geoff Pigott .
From: Ann Ward
message received 18 November 2004
I am finding the site fascinating especially the pictures of my family and I'm on a school photo 1949 Kelling that I haven't seen before it's great. Lots more to see .wonderful memories.
wonderful! I had already seen your message in the visitors book in the church and was about to look up Strattons in the phone book!
THANKS for putting me right on mixing up Reggie and Frank Holman!! It was Derrick your brother(?) I got the pics from, and I don't think he's likely to see the website, and nor is Ivy Nightingale, the daughter of Frank. I'll change them in a minute! Hope you don't mind if I put your message on the messages page? I wont put your email address though, unless you let me know that you'd like me to.
Maybe you can name some other people on those school photos? Also can you name everybody on Reggie's golden wedding photo - I think I put it in on the 'Reggie Holman' page. (the page you probably get when you click on Frank's picture . . .?). I must get it right. Your feed-back is a terrific help to me, so please tell me absolutely anything that is at all wrong. Also any photos you have of Salthouse days could be added to the site. I can copy them and send them back quickly if you'd like to send any.
Were you at the history exhibition summer 2003? I guess we must have met there?
I'm busy getting connected to broadband which is at last available in the Cromer area.
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:47 AM
Subject: Salthouse History Web Site.
I have just heard from a relative in UK that there has been some family research on the Keymers of Salthouse and have found your site. My great great grandmother was Sarah Keymer b. 23.2.1787 d.10.4.1861 m. 21.4.1817 to Robert Warr at Letheringsett. I have found some information on your site but it doesn't seem to my direct line as the Robert listed would have been a bit long in the tooth and the William a little young.
I find the site fascinating and will certainly return to it.
Do you have any further information on the Keymers of Salthouse? Any advice of someone I can contact about the family history?
I live in Canberra Australia and while I have visited Norfolk several times as coincidentally two other branches of the family are from Norfolk got as close as Cromer and King's Lynn but didn't know about the connection with Saltouse at that time. We love Norfolk and thought the seaside at Cromer was very impressive - it was early spring when we were there so it was a bit chilly.
I would be grateful for any information you could let me have.
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Salthouse History Web Site.
Geoff Pigott, Consultant Toxicologist, Cheshire, UK , wrote this letter
I used to stay with Aunt Florrie (Radley née High) in Pear Tree Cottage. There really was a pear tree then, all over the end wall and a Victoria plum along the front. This was beaten by William Cubitt (further up Cross Street) who had a peach tree which bore fruit most years.
Aunt Alice (Hancock) lived further down the street and Aunt Margaret (Goodwin) was the schoolteacher in Weybourne [teaching at Kelling School]. The camp was in full swing then with very long military convoys through the village and all-night barrages out to sea.
The Website looks good, (although I was denied access to some of the Pigott pages) and I will certainly be revisiting it. The amount of work put into the High family tree is staggering and I hesitate to carp, but Edith (page 16- my grandmother) was born in 1874, not 1879, you may like to pass this on.
I look forward to reading the book, and to more visits to the website.
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: the Pigotts
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Salthouse History
Please could you let me have details on how I could purchase the book on Salthouse History which includes some of my relatives, the Pigotts. The Salthouse site I have found very interesting and have only just recently been introduced to it.
My Great grandparents and their parents all came from Salthouse and if possible would like to know more about the place they came from.
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Salthouse History
Many thanks for getting back to me about the Salthouse book.
Yes, I would dearly love to have one, so will send you a cheque as requested.
My connection with Salthouse is through my mother Phyllis Pigott (1927)and her father Charles Russell Pigott (1898). It was his mother Hannah Jane (1864/5) who was born in Salthouse as well as both her parents Robert (1825) and Hannah(1826).
Hannah Jane's husband, was George Hillary Pigott (born in Essex) and his father James Henry was born in Salthouse (1865).
Strange as it seems, we live in Essex not too far from where George Hillary was born! Hope this all makes sense to you. Paula's connection with me is her Grt grandfather and my Grt Grt grandfather were I think brothers. She can explain it a lot better than I can as she has done more research than I have!
Very many thanks, I look forward to receiving the book and having a read through.
Our address is
38 Gravel Road, Eastwood, Essex SS9 5AS
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Salthouse History
Thank you for contacting, I would love to know who your Pigott relations were? Paula Round has done a lot of research on the Pigott family and you can see the abbreviated tree she sent me. There is a link to it somewhere on the website (can't think exactly where at the moment.) I have had a complete computer crash and have only just got set up again and I have a great backlog of things to attend to!
There are only a few copies of the book left, but I can send you one if you send a cheque (make it out to 'Sathouse History group'). The book is £15 and the postage is £4.30 because it is rather heavy!
My address is The Old Bakery, Coast Road, Salthouse, Holt, Norfolk NR25 7AJ and I'll need your address to send the book to. If you could visit Salthouse of course you could have it for just £15 so let me know
Cc: CHRISTOPHER POPE
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: Salthouse website
Many congratulations on such a great site to which I was directed by Margaret with whom I share a gggrandfather (John Dewing Jarvis). My line follows his son John Dodman (b1855) who ended up teaching at Cambois, County Durham.
I'm hoping to visit Salthouse next year, all being well.
Well done again!
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: the Cooke family
I realise I had got it still a bit wrong in the names of the photographs! I had said it was Selina in the photo on the right with daughter Priscilla, instead of Esther. It's right now.
I met Richard Cooke today and he was interested to hear about you. He is the son of Leslie Cooke who is the son of your uncle Isaac! It was Richard who gave me the names and dates of all Esther's children. Unfortunately I still can't find Selena Wichelow's address. She isn't on e-mail, but I did have a letter from her.
I have now taken the photo of your mother off that page and put it where it should be, with her brothers and sisters in the Alphbetical list. You may get to it if you click on this:
http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/alpha.html#C while you are connected to the internet,
if not, you will find 'alphabetical index' on the home page to click on, and then click on 'C' for Cooke!
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: the Cooke family
dear Val, I was delighted to receive your email, and have looked up the family history,
all very interesting so must tell my daughter. I was interested to hear about Richard,
will try to get in touch with him,
Selena's sister Elizabeth has sent me the Salthouse book,also Selena's address,
I have written and hope for a reply
my cousin Rhoda also lives in Jersey, her mother was Rachel Cooke, I will try to find out more about her as she died very young and Rhoda went to live with Stephen and his wife Gertrude have shown Rhoda the Salthouse book,she is most interested as she was brought up there.
I lived in Winchester and don't remember much of Salthouse,
Ishall get in touch with my cousin Ivy Nightingale
more next time
best wishes and many thanks
I found your website and noted you have had enquiries about the loss of HMS Princess Victoria in 1940. My father was one of the survivors of this event. Unfortunately he died in 2003, but I recorded his memories of the sinking [the ship hit a mine in the Humber estuary] and I have a couple of short newspaper cuttings and a photograph of the ship.
Do feel free to pass on my email address to anyone who's interested and would like copies of any or all of these items.
And do post a cvopy of this letter if it would help.
Yrs, Nicolas Kinloch [living in Cambridge]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Salthouse church screen
Conratulations on the web-site! It is really good and must be appreciated by many of the Salthouse 'diaspora'. Thanks for putting my piece on. Its only now I notice the punctuation typos! But at least the meaning is clear.
Yes, you are right - I don't think I did see quite all the screen panels. I shall have to come for another look.
Anyway, well done on setting it up!
|to see Carole's 'piece' about the screen click here|
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: Elizabeth Ann Dix
GREAT WEB SITE, well done... HAVE JUST READ whoops sorry... just read Chris', letter to you.. re the DIX family Elizabeth Ann Dix was married to my GGF Levi High
would this be correct....?Im only just researching this slowly....
Remember I'm Ken Browns daughter Shirley
Had a meal in The Dun Cow a few weeks ago looking out over the marshes....very peaceful...brought back a lot of childhood memories.....
Keep it up
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: Salthouse History Question :-)
|Richard Jefferson of Cley just happened to be doing a full-scale research on that very ship that was sunk in 1940. Here's the result of that:|
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Fw: Salthouse History Question :-)
here is the message I was telling you about in the church just now. It does look as if this is really a survivor of that ship, alive and kicking. I was wrong about them saying one of the crew members was buried in Blakeney and I was wrong about them coming down soon -- they've just been down. I will look forward very much to reading the result of your research in the
the Blakeney Area History Society Newsletter.
All the best to you
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Salthouse History Question :-)
I'm amazed by the marvels of modern technology....that I should look at my emails at 20.45 Sat....and find your email....and Mal Skelton's original to you....What a pity that the visit has taken place. Anyway I am going to make contact ASAP.Many many thanks for your help! Best Wishes Richard
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Salthouse History Question :-)Val
you have really unearthed a treasure trail by putting me in touch with Malcolm Skelton....for both of us...two emails since Saturday have flooded information backwards and forwards.....and I am sure we shall pool all our information, as we have so much to help each other. The family have been down (sadly) at the end of July....and I have a photograph of grandad standing behind the three graves in Cley on my computer! how glad I am that I mentioned the whole thing to you. Three cheers for modern technology.....when it is useful to one.
All the best Richard
From: "Christine Watson"
|From: "eric mason"
Date: 05 August 2004 15:22
As my wife's father was born in Salthse, John William Pigott B1899, and having come to last years exhibition we have a great interest in salthse we think the web site is fantastic. Well done Val for putting it together.
To: "Mrs Val Fiddian" <email@example.com>
Date: 05 August 2004 13:51
Good afternoon Val Fiddian,
What a truly delicious site, will put a link on our links pages with pleasure.
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:16 AM
One of my cousins has recently pointed me in the direction of your wonderful salthouse history website. I have heard your name mentioned before and have been meaning to send you an email for somtime about my branch of the family and the info I hold taking the family back to the late 1600's. My Name is Paula Round, luckily my grandmother Alice Elizabeth Cunningham is still around and knew a large number of these people, plus she will be very interested in your website as you have her grandparents and great grandparents photos on there. I also have a large number of old family photos for this side of the family. My grandmother or the way we say it Nana is the daughter of Mark Richardson Cunningham b.1887 and Elizabeth Pigott (Bessy) b. 1889 South Shilds, County Durham. Bessy's parents were Gabriel Pigott b.1849 and Elizabeth Margaret Pigott b.1854, they were first cousins as Gabriels father was John Adam Pigott b.1819 and Elizabeths Father was Gabriel Pigott b.1821. You have Bessy's parents down as having three children in actual fact they had 8 only three were born in Norfolk though. Also the picture you have of Elizabeth and Caroline. I dont think this is actually Elizabeth my nana's mother i think it is probably Alice Elizaebth b. 1876 as Bessy wasnt born till 1889 making her two years younger than Caroline. Perhaps we can compare photos and I will ask my nana to check as well. Perhaps we shoudl try to meet up online to discuss the family. I use MSN messenger and AOL instant messenger if you have either of these available to you. I have been researching the Pigott line for 8 years now and have thousands and thousands of names plus have found loads of cousins all over the world. Please let me know what you think.
Paula writes again:
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pigott. High Spence et al Family History
Lovely to hear fom you again so quickly, and I have noticed you have already amended my family page to say 8 children, and have changed the names on the photo . . . I dont mind you putting any of my emails online as long as they dont refer in too much detail to any living relatives.My mother has just been around and I have printed the photos from the website for her to take back to my nana who is 87. I also have loads of photos from the Pigott side so will have to get these scanned in for the website and my nana just about remembers everyone she has ever met once . . . Could I ask your relationship to the family? I dont mind that it might be a week before we can talk again I totally understand when things crop up in life that pull us away from family history. I have also attached for you a copy of a descendants chart for Gabriel Pigott and Elizabeth Pane going down three generations to my nana's mother my great grandmother Elizabeth (Bessy) Pigott. I have a lot more info that what is shown but often find it best to send charts initially.Hope to speak soon
Today we went for a walk at Salthouse along the shingle bank by the sea, directly opposite the duck pond area and we came across an old pill box. Or was it? There is what seems to be a large metal 'ring' that runs around the base of the grass mound where the 'pill box' is and it was suggested to me that this metal 'ring' was a support for a barbed wire fence. Also, there is a lot of concrete on top plus what looks like an air tube coming out from the ground on top of the bank behind the 'pill box'. What used to be there? Why is there a concrete 'wall' in front of the 'pill box' entrance? I've tried finding out for myself but I couldn't find anything on this structure, therefore, could you help with this matter? Many thanks!
Jeremy Addis of Dublin says:
The wall in front of the door of the pillbox is typical of
fortifications like that -- it's to protect people inside from shockwave of a near hit. It's a bit like the fence they put on the pavement outside a school entrance to deflect the kids who would otherwise rush straight across the road. This one deflects an explosion rushing straight in.
July 15th 2004
The army pillbox which stands on the remains of 'Little Eye', was a Heavy Machine Gun type of pillbox., hence the large staircase type of loophole which faces west. The strong concrete wall before its entrance was a type of blast-proof doorway. It must be remembered that this pillbox, along with Little Eye itself, was severely damaged in the great sea flood of 1953, which explains why so much of the structure is exposed today.
© Val Fiddian 2005